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re: For the X’s and O’s guys…
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:03 am to Madking
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:03 am to Madking
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He has done a good job mixing it up and blitzing at times but in terms of ability to change personnel and matchup, he just doesn’t have options schematically.
Not only lacking a scheme but if you remember Penn's comments after the A&M game, he was asked if they prepared for Reed. Basically, he said that they prepared for the starting QB with just a little time on Reed. Here's the deal. You should have a scheme built already for a running QB with only decent passing skills. In other words, Baker SHOULD have prepared for Sellars at SC and then have that as plan B in the event Reed entered the game for A&M. They are very similar QBs. You don't have to invent the wheel...simply bring the wheel out of the warehouse. That tells me after Sellars, Reed, and Milroe that Blake Baker has no idea where "the wheel" is. As I've said, he is an overated DC. A decent DC would cover deficiencies like Sage Ryan and Cameron Burns, etc.
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Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:04 am to Madking
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Literally the exact same alignment and positions as House’s D who also didn’t coach what we ran when he was here. So 2 DCs under Kelly, neither have coached or run the D before, both identical in structure yet they’re different? The calls are for sure but that it. It’s the same with the offense, have you watched Denbrock this year? Totally different offense.
The defense we run this season is much different than House's defense. Offense is 100% Kelly's offense. Sloan is calling Kelly's offense. Baker is calling Bakers defense.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:06 am to redfishfan
It’s run different, structurally it’s the same. Thats what I mean by limited personnel options, not from a player standpoint but from a who can he use in this narrow gimmicky defense.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 11:10 am
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:06 am to Phillytiger9
I played football growing up like most of you guys. I do not claim to be an expert by any means, but it just seems we don’t have the athletes to stop mobile QB’s. I don’t think it matters how they line up if they overshoot run gaps and are slow to react and slow to the ball.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:06 am to Phillytiger9
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Was LSU in the right formations and in position to make plays defensively Saturday? Or was it a full breakdown of coaching and just bad alignment, formation, etc..?
This question like many other on here assume a X&O adjustment will solve the problem outright. That is just not the case when personnel get overpowered, blocked, out maneuvered, outran, etc. This list is not a list criticisms toward this defense but a listing of what goes into making a play work or not work. In our case, the defense failed to stop the running QB who was faster than everyone on the defensive side of the ball.
So IMHO, better alignments may have helped but in the long run it was not a substitute for basic instinct football of knowing you have to set the edge and contain a jackrabbit player.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:06 am to Phillytiger9
Prime Dave Aranda’s defense would fold with these Safties…
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:11 am to saintslsupels
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Our safeties are both too slow in the pass game but also have 0 ability to tackle. It’s really bad. Zy Alexander got burned several times.
We are truly in a dire situation in the secondary. This is one of the least athletic secondaries in the last decade. Even our best guy Zy is prob high 4.5 or 4.6 guy. Bama’s wideouts ran by him several times and stamps was getting deep fried on crossers and in breaking routes. The safeties being slow and lacking instincts is a disasterous combos. At safety you can make up for a lack of speed if you have good instincts our safeties don’t at all. Dj pickett and Kade Phillips off their athleticism alone will be day 1 starters at corner.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 11:12 am
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:15 am to NotaStarGazer
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I guess you think the S Carolina game was "in the last 6 quarters"
a mobile qb...what did i say this defense had trouble with genius?
We played games between USCe and A&M and too many our defense made remarkable improvement, are you denying that?
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I listed all the carries and yards for Milroe in his previous games in a post. Many teams have slowed/stopped the guy and most of them have less defensive talent than LSU...just a better DC.
list his passing stats
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:17 am to Phillytiger9
Until people realize we lost a game changing talent at LB and our best DL plus the FACT we don’t have that much talent. Yet still keep expectations at a level WAY above our talent level. You will continue to see melts. I mean USCe qb trounced us. Elko changed to a run only qb for a reason and trounced us. Yet some of our fans thought we’d stop Milroe??
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:18 am to Phillytiger9
It’s a copy cat league… very little original schemes.
Now the call, strategy, and timing are crucial.
But the bottom line, the kids must produce. Many were in position, but poodled out.
Now the call, strategy, and timing are crucial.
But the bottom line, the kids must produce. Many were in position, but poodled out.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:21 am to Phillytiger9
Early in the game they played the read option well by hitting Milroe whether he kept the ball or not. Where we got into trouble was on passing downs it felt like our LB's were reading and waiting to react to what Milroe was going to do (instead of just going after him) and got burned b/c they got caught up in blocking while he ran free all night long.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:34 am to Cd104
Here's a simple recap of LSU's struggles against physical teams:
We have the worst center of all p4 schools in the country.
We have the worst safeties of all p4 schools in the country.
Baker calls exotic blitzes because he thinks they look cool even if there's no strategy or reason. Just like House last year, we keep having multiple guys in the same gap and our ends don't play contain against running QBs.
Joe Sloan continues to call the same plays over and over even if those plays don't work.
Mason Taylor is having to play every single snap because BK doesn't understand how to use the transfer portal to build depth.
We don't have enough talent, espcially at QB, to compensate for having a terrible center and safities, and the coaches aren't able to scheme anything to help.
I'm not sure how much better we are than Auburn, Vandy and Oklahoma.
We have the worst center of all p4 schools in the country.
We have the worst safeties of all p4 schools in the country.
Baker calls exotic blitzes because he thinks they look cool even if there's no strategy or reason. Just like House last year, we keep having multiple guys in the same gap and our ends don't play contain against running QBs.
Joe Sloan continues to call the same plays over and over even if those plays don't work.
Mason Taylor is having to play every single snap because BK doesn't understand how to use the transfer portal to build depth.
We don't have enough talent, espcially at QB, to compensate for having a terrible center and safities, and the coaches aren't able to scheme anything to help.
I'm not sure how much better we are than Auburn, Vandy and Oklahoma.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:37 am to G&P
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Many were in position
This is what Brian Kelly wants you to think, but it's not true. Please tell me who's in position to make a play when Milroe can run 5-10 yards untouched because we called a blitz that has 3 guys blitzing the same gap.
Also can you please explain why we call counter several times when we've never ran it well the entire year? And same for 4 verts? We don't have enough speed at WR to run 4 vert, and Nuss doesn't have a good deep ball, and Chester can't hold up in pass coverage. So why do we continue to call this play?
Posted on 11/12/24 at 12:27 pm to Madking
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It’s run different, structurally it’s the same. Thats what I mean by limited personnel options, not from a player standpoint but from a who can he use in this narrow gimmicky defense.
Well structurally there is only so much you can do so most defenses will look very similar. I have people close to the program. Baker is running Bakers defense. Sloan is running Kelly's offense. Denbrock was running Kelly's offense.
The defense is only gimmicky in that they rely so much on slanting and blitzing to be able to hold up against the run. That isn't the design of the defense but the need because the guys up front aren't good enough. Baker is an elite scheme guy which is why he's been able to have games like he did against Ole Miss. But scheme is limited when talent is limited. We are playing 3 true freshman up front a ton. That doesn't cut it in the SEC.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 12:28 pm to saintslsupels
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Watch Power Hour with CarterThePower on YouTube. He’s the best and a huge tiger fan from Louisiana.
BK’s worst coached game of his career
We continue to run plays that haven’t worked all year. Joe Sloan has no idea how to adjust and calls the same plays even when they don’t work. For example we continue to run counter even though we get stuffed everytime. Same thing with 4 verts. Same with Mason Taylor running a wheel route from the slot. These 3 plays haven’t worked all year for us but Sloan continues to call them.
DJ Chester is one of the lowest graded players in the entire country on offense and defense. It’s not a youth thing, he’s just bad at center.
Kyren Lacy dropping a td pass killed us.
Sloan designs pass plays where 2 players run routes than end up right next to each other.
Jujuan Johnson dropped a swing pass that could’ve been a big gain. He’s dropped multiple swing passes previously but Sloan keeps calling this play.
Nuss can’t handle pressure and the few times we had someone open he airmailed the pass.
Defensively, for some absurd reason our d line wasn’t playing contain. 2 years in a row we have ends crashing inside instead of playing contain against Milroe.
We had multiple times where 2 defensive players were basically lined up right next to each. As in 2 linebackers or a linebacker and safety standing next to each other like they’re on the offensive line.
We had plays where our def tackles attacked the wrong gap.
We had several plays where the linebackers over pursued and cutbacks were wide open. Bama’s offensive design is to attack this, but it’s like Blake Baker didn’t understand this or doesn’t know how to adjust.
Our safeties are both too slow in the pass game but also have 0 ability to tackle. It’s really bad.
Zy Alexander got burned several times.
Despite 2 years of film showing that Milroe likes to throw to Jam Miller (rb) in the red zone, Baker called plays leaving the middle of the field wide open. They burned us.
Blake Baker is struggling with balancing playing with havoc and playing fundamentally sound. Savion Jones seems to randomly guess if he’s playing contain or crashing the inside.
It’s one of the worst combinations of BK not recruiting well enough and ignoring the transfer portal and also terrible coaching that just seems like they’re picking plays out of a hat.
best analysis ive seen...
Posted on 11/12/24 at 12:36 pm to redfishfan
Yea, maybe they just run the same alignment or skeleton because our position designations are identical to before. Meaning we play with a Star, extra safety and that mixed front alignment and the Jack LB. What I mean by gimmicky is that we’re solely in that alignment and don’t have a traditional base set so when we face heavy run teams we can’t just throw out a heavy 7 man front. I know modern Ds in college have shifted towards this kind of D but I think you should always have a base set in the tool kit if need be.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 12:48 pm to Madking
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don’t have a traditional base set so when we face heavy run teams we can’t just throw out a heavy 7 man front.
We did this some against SC with a traditional 4-3 look. I think you don't see it as much because we don't have the players to fit that look. Pretty much every single defense in college football will play with a Star type position although they might have a different name for it. They will use a Jack LB walked down especially if they getting in a tite front. They will use multiple fronts even during the same series. Will play 20+ coverages with most of them being 2 high quarters match type coverages. It's what it takes to stop the spread RPO offenses in todays game.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 1:31 pm to redfishfan
Well we used a lot of 3-3-5 vs South Carolina too but that was the only game we were really multiple and I don’t know why we haven’t done it more vs the running QBs. I know we gave up some big runs but that was more about our DTs getting obliterated than it was the alignment. Like you said a lot of college Ds are playing that hybrid but you really need to have that base D in the arsenal. If you look at the teams upsetting the big dogs this year they’re doing it by pounding the rock so we need to have a counter for that.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 5:17 pm to 610man
I watched part of this, too. One reason we were outnumbered at times was gap assignment. I saw both of our DEs try to leave their gap trying to get the sack, and Milroe ran right to the gap they left. A guy can't leave their gap against a good running QB. Milroe gets credit for repeatedly making the right decision during the play. The fault here is likely shared by players and coaches. Every DC in the world at this level teaches gap assignment. Saivion Jones has never played like the stud we thought we got when we recruited him.
Our run blocking is ridiculous. Play calling for runs was not as vanilla as some think. We repeatedly tried to pull but somebody on the line got pushed back on most plays, with Chester being the worst offender. He doesn't get low enough to get leverage on run blocks.
Our DBs had a terrible game. Especially, our safeties. Gilbert, Ryan, Burns were terrible in run support.
Overall, our poor play is on both coaches and players. We are failing at basics that coaches and players have been doing for most of their football lives. Hard to blame it all on the coaches.
Our run blocking is ridiculous. Play calling for runs was not as vanilla as some think. We repeatedly tried to pull but somebody on the line got pushed back on most plays, with Chester being the worst offender. He doesn't get low enough to get leverage on run blocks.
Our DBs had a terrible game. Especially, our safeties. Gilbert, Ryan, Burns were terrible in run support.
Overall, our poor play is on both coaches and players. We are failing at basics that coaches and players have been doing for most of their football lives. Hard to blame it all on the coaches.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 6:29 pm to redfishfan
We were dwarfed on the line
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