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re: For those who believe in O, would you feel the same if it were Chizik?
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:12 am to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:12 am to Tiger Voodoo
If O is Chizik then Burrow is Cam. Stud is Ensminger.
It's really happening
It's really happening
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Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:15 am to GeauxTigerTM
[quote]why did so many support the hiring of a far bigger risk, [/quote}
I didn't see him as a bigger risk at all. I thought he was the lower safer risk after his interim stint as coach at LSU, but that Fleck would have more upside perhaps. Chizek was never even in the equation for me and still isn't so your hypothetical makes no sense to me and is to trivial for me to give any thought to.
I didn't see him as a bigger risk at all. I thought he was the lower safer risk after his interim stint as coach at LSU, but that Fleck would have more upside perhaps. Chizek was never even in the equation for me and still isn't so your hypothetical makes no sense to me and is to trivial for me to give any thought to.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:15 am to boxcar willie
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HE IS A better fit at LSU than at other schools
Why?
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:17 am to Sun God
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If O is Chizik then Burrow is Cam. Stud is Ensminger. It's really happening
I like the way you think. If we are going to have fantasy then I go with this one and seems more worthy and likely than the OP's fantasy of chizeks as coach. .
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:21 am to UpToPar
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Why?
His personality fits better at LSU though USC seemed to like him as well.
HIs large outgoing gritty personality fits well with LSU players, sort of like Miles, but even more so. But he doesn't seem to suffer from the blind spots Miles suffered from.
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 11:24 am
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:40 am to Tiger Voodoo
Chiz was a good recruiter and was considered a top notch coordinator as well.
Neither should have been handed keys to an SEC program though.
Neither should have been handed keys to an SEC program though.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:40 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Had Alleva attempted that move with any other coach with that exact same resume, LSU fans would rightfully taken to the streets to protest the move. There is no way that following 2 National Title winning coaches we'd have stood for that kind of bullshite around this program any longer. We labored away for DECADES between 1958 and 2003. By 2016, we knew EXACTLY what it takes to get this program working, and we knew what it takes to potentially set us back to square one. And in fact, for the last few years of Miles' tenure as fans wanted him gone, did anyone remotely consider replacing him with a coach with a nearly .300 career winning percentage?
But...none of this seems to matter, because he's from here. No other reason has even be suggested when your kind of post points it out like this. And that's scary enough.
My real fear is that if the above is true...and a huge portion of the fan base was/is excited about this despite what he did not bring to the table, what kind of truly mediocre success rate will he be able to keep up to have this job for a decade or longer? We can already see the attempts to lower expectations across the board. How soon will 8-4 be spun as good enough?
Bingo.
And that's scary. People are caring more about a "Louisiana Man" winning than they are about the Tigers winning. It's that simple. That's why the excuses come out. That's why everything is amazing. That's why he can have a staff that's 50% the same as the last coaches and "it's a great staff." Etc.
Insanity.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 11:59 am to Tiger Voodoo
The criteria that was so successful with the hires of Saban and Miles was this: (1) find a coach that has some NFL experience as an assistant; (2) find a coach that has demonstrable success as HC at a smaller college. I do not know why we deviated from that winning formula.
But, it's too late now. Let's see how it plays out.
But, it's too late now. Let's see how it plays out.
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 7/31/18 at 12:04 pm to beauxroux
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1) find a coach that has some NFL experience as an assistant; (2) find a coach that has demonstrable success as HC at a smaller college
Fleck. Who else do you have in mind? Fleck would have been a risky hire (as Minnesota is finding out) but has a lot of upside if he does find success.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 12:11 pm to boxcar willie
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Fleck. Who else do you have in mind?
No one at this point. But it would be wise to re-visit that formula if and when the next time to hire arises.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 12:18 pm to HunnyBadger
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Absolutely not. Chizik has nowhere near the ties to the Bayou that Coach O has. Just listen to him talk. Wouldn't be a good fit here.
I caught one.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:20 pm to boxcar willie
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I didn't see him as a bigger risk at all. I thought he was the lower safer risk after his interim stint as coach at LSU,
This seems crazy to me, because it should be perfectly obvious that being an interim head coach who steps in and coaches a team already built and staffed is not at all the same job as being the full time head coach of a Power 5 conference juggernaut. I mean, how is it Orgeron gets full credit for the second half of the 2016 season with a team that was 100% Miles, and yet for some idiots Miles' NC wasn't even him...since a bunch of the guys still on that team were originally Saban recruits?
There's a reason why no one took a shot at Orgeron as ahead coaching candidate after the same 6-2 run at SC. Because MOST AD's recognize this fact, and given their only other data on how he's performed in the past was abysmal, it was a non-starter for literally everyone.
Now...again...had Orgeron taken that 6-2 SC record and decided to go and find a small school who was willing to take a shot with him, who didn't have a ton to lose in hiring him, and he'd taken that program and built them up in his own image...then I'd respect that. If he had parlayed THAT job into a bigger one at a mid-major and had a breakout year or two and THEN someone like LSU came calling...then fine. He'd have then proven that Ole Miss was more than likely the anomaly, or that he actually HAD gotten better as head coach. I, personally, would still not have wanted him because I have read enough about him personally to have never wanted him within spitting distance f the program...but I'd at least be able to be honest and say that he'd earned the shot by rehabbing his image and putting in the work.
but...that's not what he did. He publicly pouted after SC didn't give him the keys to his "dream job" out in LA and then ran home. Literally. From there he spent time schmoozing local sports media and high school coaches and miles, stupidly I might add, hired him. And of course, Joe Alleva, hires him as the replacement to Miles and Saban without him EVER having done any of the hard work to actually prove to anyone he'd grown as a head coach. All he did was plant his arse in the right place, at the right time, talk to the right people, and then simply declare, "I've learned my lesson."
I'll grant that his being local and having the reputation as a good recruiter SLIGHTLY polishes his shitty record...but not enough to make his 10-25 record anything but risky at LSU.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:24 pm to Freauxzen
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Bingo.
And that's scary. People are caring more about a "Louisiana Man" winning than they are about the Tigers winning. It's that simple. That's why the excuses come out. That's why everything is amazing. That's why he can have a staff that's 50% the same as the last coaches and "it's a great staff." Etc.
Insanity.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:27 pm to RB10
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That's unfortunate because Chizik sucks.
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That's unfortunate because Chizik sucks.
hard!!!! I wouldn't have wanted either because they're both bad choices.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 3:58 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Hoping to get some honest discussion here
Have your ever read the rant?
Have your ever read the rant?
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:10 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
And on top of all that, Alleva fell for the same binder charade that got O hired at Ole Miss. If that wasn't bad enough, Alleva then exacerbates the situation with giving him a ridiculous multi-million dollar buyout.
And on top of all that, Alleva fell for the same binder charade that got O hired at Ole Miss. If that wasn't bad enough, Alleva then exacerbates the situation with giving him a ridiculous multi-million dollar buyout.
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:11 pm to Tiger Voodoo
yes, please tell me again how "everyone" on this board wants LSU to win this season. 
What a dumb thread. The only point of making a thread like this is to tell everyone for the millionth time how much you hate Orgeron and Alleva and want them gone. Therefore you want LSU to bomb this fall. Own it.
Orgeron sure wasn't in my top five. But I want LSU to win not fail.
What a dumb thread. The only point of making a thread like this is to tell everyone for the millionth time how much you hate Orgeron and Alleva and want them gone. Therefore you want LSU to bomb this fall. Own it.
Orgeron sure wasn't in my top five. But I want LSU to win not fail.
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:13 pm to boxcar willie
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His personality fits better at LSU though USC seemed to like him as well.
HIs large outgoing gritty personality fits well with LSU players, sort of like Miles, but even more so. But he doesn't seem to suffer from the blind spots Miles suffered from.
Jesus Christ. Go frick yourself.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:16 pm to Tiger Voodoo
We need a Cam Newton too, in order to complete this little hypothesis.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 4:50 pm to I-59 Tiger
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how much you hate Orgeron and Alleva and want them gone.
=/=
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Therefore you want LSU to bomb this fall.
You realize this, right?
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