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re: Information Regarding LSU Pitching Rotation
Posted on 2/17/19 at 9:23 pm to Metaloctopus
Posted on 2/17/19 at 9:23 pm to Metaloctopus
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It seems like all but a certainty that Mainieri promising Hess a fair chance to remain a starter was a prerequisite to him returning this year.
LOL no.
Hess not getting drafted in the top 5 rounds is why he returned.
Now, does Mainieri have a vested interest in Hess' success at the next level? Sure and he wants to prove that he is starter quality. But if we get to SEC play and Hess' ERA on Friday's is still 4+, I will bet you anything that Mainieri makes a move. He has done it before and will do it again. This is the most talent and depth Mainieri has had in a pitching staff, EVER and he won't blow it because of sentiment.
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Posted on 2/17/19 at 9:28 pm to Broski
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But if we get to SEC play and Hess' ERA on Friday's is still 4+, I will bet you anything that Mainieri makes a move.
That would be a fair shot, no?
Posted on 2/17/19 at 9:29 pm to UpToPar
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That would be a fair shot, no?
Sure, but that's not the reason he came back to LSU.
Also, there are a lot of people on this board that believe Mainieri is going to stick with Hess on Friday's no matter what.
Posted on 2/17/19 at 9:30 pm to Metaloctopus
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It seems like all but a certainty that Mainieri promising Hess a fair chance to remain a starter was a prerequisite to him returning this year.
This is pretty much my line of thinking as well.
Posted on 2/17/19 at 9:33 pm to TigerLunatik
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This is pretty much my line of thinking as well.
So you think, after getting drafted in the 34th round last season and the Braves not matching his signing bonus number, Hess walked into Mainieri's office and said "Hey Paul, if you don't keep me on Friday's, I'm GTFO of here."?
Posted on 2/17/19 at 9:44 pm to TigersOfMen32
Some of yall dont understand the concept that wins in Feb dont matter half as much as wins in June. Paul wants to build this team to reach its absolute peak potential and the way that happens is by having your most talented pitcher turn the corner and become a legit Friday night ace. It's the same thing with Hughes this year and Slaughter last year. We're a better team in June if Hughes learns to hit now rather than giving up on him and sacrificing defense to start Reid or Bianco.
Hess may never become a great SP, but if he does this team will be the best we've had in a long time. It's certainly worth giving him as much time to figure it out as we can afford
Hess may never become a great SP, but if he does this team will be the best we've had in a long time. It's certainly worth giving him as much time to figure it out as we can afford
Posted on 2/17/19 at 9:47 pm to Broski
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Hess walked into Mainieri's office and said "Hey Paul, if you don't keep me on Friday's, I'm GTFO of here."?
Or maybe Paul called Hess into his office and offered it to him if he came back and then Hess decided to stay. It's a thought, no one knows for sure.
Posted on 2/17/19 at 9:50 pm to Broski
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LOL no.
Hess not getting drafted in the top 5 rounds is why he returned.
Oh, my friend, you are greatly misunderstanding what happened with Hess. He could have gone in the top 5 rounds very easily, but he set his price tag high. Being that he was a draft eligible sophomore, he knew he'd still have leverage in the next draft, if he decided to come back. Which he likely would not have been willing to do if he hadn't discussed with Mainieri about remaining a starter.
Once no one met his price in those top 5 rounds, it probably was an easy choice for Hess to return and try to boost his stock with a better year. He got drafted late, anyway, because that's where teams usually just take a shot in the dark in late rounds.
Same way Bregman got drafted in the 26th round, or wherever, when he was considered a borderline first round talent. Bregman had made it clear that he was coming to LSU after he wasn't drafted in the 1st or 2nd round, so teams just passed over him, and then the Red Sox just drafted him, hoping they could possibly get a last minute change of heart.
This post was edited on 2/17/19 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 2/17/19 at 9:52 pm to Metaloctopus
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Oh, my friend, you are greatly misunderstanding what happened with Hess. He could have gone in the top 5 rounds very easily, but he set his price tag high. Being that he was a draft eligible sophomore, he knew he'd still have leverage in the next draft, if he decided to come back. Which he likely would not have been willing to do if he hadn't discussed with Mainieri about remaining a starter.
Once no one met his price in those top 5 rounds, it probably was an easy choice for Hess to return and try to boost his stock with a better year. He got drafted late, anyway, because that's what teams usually just take a shot in the dark in late rounds.
Same way Bregman got drafted in the 26th round, or wherever, when he was considered a borderline first round talent. Bregman had made it clear that he was coming to LSU after he wasn't drafted in the 1st or 2nd round, so teams just passed over him, and then the Red Sox just drafted him, hoping they could possibly get a last minute change of heart.
I literally said all of this in my next post.
Posted on 2/17/19 at 9:58 pm to Broski
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I literally said all of this in my next post.
You literally did not.
You think that Hess got drafted late, because no one wanted him before then, and that's why you think we're stupid for thinking Hess had to be convinced to come back.
I just explained to you the draft process, and why he dropped. You ignored it. You said nothing that I just said.
Posted on 2/17/19 at 10:02 pm to Metaloctopus
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You think that Hess got drafted late, because no one wanted him before then,
I never said this.
He had a number and no one matched it, which is why he slid. Fact of the matter is, no one matched his number, so he came back. Not because Mainieri promised him to keep him in the Friday spot.
Posted on 2/17/19 at 10:17 pm to Broski
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I never said this.
He had a number and no one matched it, which is why he slid. Fact of the matter is, no one matched his number, so he came back. Not because Mainieri promised him to keep him in the Friday spot.
This is what you said in your "next post":
"Sure, but that's not the reason he came back to LSU.
Also, there are a lot of people on this board that believe Mainieri is going to stick with Hess on Friday's no matter what."
Now, you tell me how that is "literally" ANYTHING that I said in my post? You are only just now, after the fact, pretending you knew he had a number and no one matched it. So that's the first thing.
Secondly, regarding this post where you say "I never said this", this is what you said:
"Hess not getting drafted in the top 5 rounds is why he returned."
You don't seem, here, to understand WHY he wasn't drafted in the top 5 rounds, by the very fact that you think his decision to return only came AFTER he was drafted in the 34th round.
So while you don't say the exact words, you are very clearly implying that he got drafted late because no one wanted him.
This is why I explained to you, that his price tag was high because he had leverage to come back. But he VERY LIKELY would not have risked possible injury by coming back, if Mainieri hadn't promised him BEFORE the draft, that he'd have the chance to keep starting. If Hess wasn't going to have a chance to improve his stock by coming back, then he would have lowered his price tag and left. It's very simple how this kind of process works.
Make sense now?
This post was edited on 2/17/19 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 2/17/19 at 10:18 pm to Broski
And maybe his number was so high because he knew it would be beneficial to return to LSU as a starter.
Pretty sure you are off on this. Dude isn’t returning to school if the threat is there to move back to the bullpen after 1 bad start
Pretty sure you are off on this. Dude isn’t returning to school if the threat is there to move back to the bullpen after 1 bad start
Posted on 2/17/19 at 10:29 pm to 13
Hilliard should get an appearance shortly, barring any setbacks, but he's not in contention to be in the weekend rotation. The staff views him as a premier relief man.
Posted on 2/17/19 at 10:30 pm to Lester Earl
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Dude isn’t returning to school if the threat is there to move back to the bullpen after 1 bad start
I never insinuated this. But if we're at SEC play and he's still struggling, a move will be made.
Posted on 2/17/19 at 10:35 pm to TigersOfMen32
Solid 8th post. I'm sure it is credible and not just someone's opinion posted as actual reality.
Posted on 2/17/19 at 10:38 pm to Broski
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But if we're at SEC play and he's still struggling, a move will be made.
This is a separate debate. Few believe that he is promised to start, no matter what. Only that he would be given a fair shot. Because after the year he had last year, and the guys returning/coming in, Mainieri didn't need him to start, and it might not have been his preference to start him.
But he's a huge talent, and you do what you have to do to keep guys like him around, knowing that if Hess doesn't work out as a starter again, he can then move him back to closer, and if he does succeed as a starter, then everyone wins.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 8:09 am to TigersOfMen32
What do you think hess thoughts will be on this? Does he complain or agree with the move
Posted on 2/18/19 at 8:10 am to ScaryClown
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What do you think hess thoughts will be on this? Does he complain or agree with the move
This dude is just throwing shite at the wall and hoping it sticks.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 8:21 am to jgriffith
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I know Dunn and Mainieri will get it right.
THIS! Our coaches spend countless hours with our players, and after another week or so they will have this staff lined up where they want it. Kudos to the FR SPs who were excellent this past weekend, and Walker for eating some innings (and looking very sharp).
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