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re: Sarkisian
Posted on 12/6/20 at 12:43 pm to Philzilla2k
Posted on 12/6/20 at 12:43 pm to Philzilla2k
I don't get the Sark hate. His game plan last night and like most games are flawless.
Sure he has the talent, but those crossing routes and his development of QBs is very impressive.
He will get a Power 5 job soon.
Sure he has the talent, but those crossing routes and his development of QBs is very impressive.
He will get a Power 5 job soon.
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Posted on 12/6/20 at 12:45 pm to GarTiger
Sark has actually grown with college football's progression since Stonehenge unlike our current staff, so count me in.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 12:50 pm to bopper50
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I don't get the Sark hate. His game plan last night and like most games are flawless.
He’s a great coach. He was doing a good job putting USC back together coming off probation before he got himself into trouble and he’s obviously doing well at Bama. And some program is eventually going hire him. But to pretend there isn’t some known risk involved with him is pretty ridiculous.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 12:51 pm to misey94
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But to pretend there isn’t some known risk involved with him is pretty ridiculous.
OP said as much. What point do you think you're making here?
Posted on 12/6/20 at 12:55 pm to LNCHBOX
The OP said the following:
I said no, simply voicing an opinion, but one that is backed up by everything medical science has to say about addiction, and you got your fricking panties in a bunch over it. I guess we aren’t allowed to discuss back and forth on a message board without your approval now, right?
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Is he far enough from his past issues to get another HC gig? He may very well be a guy that never excels as a HC but is a great coordinator.
I said no, simply voicing an opinion, but one that is backed up by everything medical science has to say about addiction, and you got your fricking panties in a bunch over it. I guess we aren’t allowed to discuss back and forth on a message board without your approval now, right?
Posted on 12/6/20 at 12:58 pm to misey94
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but one that is backed up by everything medical science has to say about addiction
show me where alcoholics can never perform high level againquote:
got your fricking panties in a bunch over it.
You said something stupid.
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 12/6/20 at 12:58 pm to GarTiger
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I'm not advocating for this guy to come to LSU as HC but I think he's the best play-caller in CFB.
Yes, you are. Like every other worthless post on this. Do you think you have an original thought?
Posted on 12/6/20 at 1:00 pm to misey94
A little clarification, if I may. By "far enough past", I was referring to schools' willingness to hire him. I wasn't referencing his own personal struggles with alcoholism and whether he was now well enough to be a head coach. Simply curious if the board thinks schools are now willing to take his word for his personal health. The man can coach... no doubt about that!
Posted on 12/6/20 at 1:05 pm to GarTiger
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The man can coach... no doubt about that!
What about his record says Sarkisian can coach?
2009 Washington 5–7 4–5 7th
2010 Washington 7–6 5–4 T–3rd W Holiday
2011 Washington 7–6 5–4 3rd (North) L Alamo
2012 Washington 7–6 5–4 4th (North) L Maaco
2013 Washington 8–4 5–4 3rd (North) Fight Hunger* 25
Washington: 34–29 24–21 * Sarkisian resigned before bowl game
USC Trojans (Pac-12 Conference) (2014–2015)
2014 USC 9–4 6–3 T–2nd (South) W Holiday 21 20
2015 USC 3–2* 1–2 (South)
USC: 12–6 7–5 * Sarkisian was replaced as head coach on October 12, 201
Posted on 12/6/20 at 1:06 pm to LNCHBOX
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show me where alcoholics can never perform high level again
When did I say that you ignorant jackass? I said he’s a great coach. I never said he can’t perform. I just said there is risk he could relapse. You act as if what happened to him at USC never occurred? Why, because he’s been baptized in the waters of Nick Saban?
Now you show me anything remotely scientific showing how someone who has an addiction to a substance can be cured from it? I’ll wait. Or maybe not, because that doesn’t exist. It isn’t possible and it’s hard to find a more stressful vocation than coaching in a P5 conference, especially the SEC.
So tell me there is 0 risk to hiring Sark. That there is no way he could relapse and end up drinking on the job like he did at USC. Do you really believe that? Do you also really believe it’s not possible to hire a coach that doesn’t come with his baggage? Why the frick would you pick his hill to die on?
Posted on 12/6/20 at 1:11 pm to misey94
The way you said "you don't ever get over being an alcoholic" basically said he can't overcome that. You've now walked that way back, but I had to call you out for you to get there bb
Posted on 12/6/20 at 1:12 pm to Cs
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It's because it all starts with the head coach.
so your trying to tell me HC's are supposed to be more than a glorified male cheerleader with a headset on?
Posted on 12/6/20 at 1:13 pm to tigersbb
Ok
Posted on 12/6/20 at 1:16 pm to GarTiger
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I wasn't referencing his own personal struggles with alcoholism and whether he was now well enough to be a head coach. Simply curious if the board thinks schools are now willing to take his word for his personal health.
The two are one and the same. Any program that looks at hiring him is going to do a lot of digging on him first, no matter what he says.
Consider this. Mike Norvell had ties to Arkansas and seemed like an easy decision for them or Ole Miss a few years ago. Then some rumors surfaced that he got a girl at ASU pregnant (pretty sure this ended up being true) and that he had gambling issues in his past. Both schools immediately passed on him and hired inferior coaches because they got so spooked. They couldn’t even confirm the gambling stuff and FSU evidently dug longer and harder to get to the bottom of it when they hired him. Evidently it was just a rumor. But just the possibility of something like that scared them off.
Schools are scared of risk, especially when it comes with a high price tag.
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 12/6/20 at 1:28 pm to LNCHBOX
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The way you said "you don't ever get over being an alcoholic" basically said he can't overcome that. You've now walked that way back, but I had to call you out for you to get there bb
You are reading something into what I said that wasn’t there. You DON’T ever get over being an alcoholic. Alcoholism is an incurable disease, as is any human addiction. But that doesn’t mean you can’t do a job. If it gets out of control, it can, but the world is full of “functional alcoholics” who drink too much but can hold a job. I have worked with a few and watched as they slow motion self-destructed, unfortunately. And there are plenty of recovering alcoholics who stay on the wagon for life and never drink again. That doesn’t mean they are cured.
Hell, there are plenty of very successful past football coaches who were alcoholics, or at the very least heavy drinkers. Bear Bryant was known for it. Johnny Majors was literally nicknamed “Whiskey John” at UT. One was one of the greatest of all time and the other won a title at Pitt and rebuilt UT and started their rise through the 80s and 90s. But they coached in a different time with different norms and weren’t under the same microscope. No one can get away with drinking on the job and being drunk at public events today.
Think what you want. I’m not walking shite back. Sark will always be an alcoholic. That doesn’t mean he will ever drink again, but if he does, we’ve seen what will happen. The stress of the job has to be considered a risk factor. I hope he does a great job wherever he goes and never takes another drink, but I just don’t want LSU to take that risk.
This post was edited on 12/6/20 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 12/6/20 at 2:00 pm to GarTiger
What McCarron did on 1/9/12 was more impressive than what Mac Jones did last night.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 2:15 pm to GarTiger
Someone will get a great coach. SC would be rolling if he didn't fall off the wagon
Posted on 12/6/20 at 2:18 pm to GarTiger
He’s always been a good coach imo. His personal issues cost him in the past, but now is the time he could go somewhere and get his career back on track (as a HC). Having said that, unfortunately Saban will replace him with another great OC. It’s what he does.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 3:14 pm to Tigerbait357
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Mac Jones development under him has been impressive.
Never really had problems with QB development. Several of his QBs have played in the NFL to some degree.
Posted on 12/6/20 at 3:25 pm to GarTiger
He'll be a major HC next year. He's proven he's past his problems and also shown he's one of the most creative offensive minds in college football.
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