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re: Watching 2024 clemson
Posted on 8/9/25 at 11:16 am to somethingdifferent
Posted on 8/9/25 at 11:16 am to somethingdifferent
Clemson was much better in this game than against Louisville. They faced a legit midpack SEC team on the lines.
Clemson is good at not beating themselves with penalties in the 2 games I've seen so far.
Klub is Klub. He scrambled around alot and can definitely pick up yards. He has a good feel for when to scramble. But he takes huge risks and gets clobbered a lot. He's been fortunate to not have a major injury as often as this happens. In the first half, he fit some windows that he missed against Louisville. Excellent, elite passes, especially downfield on the boundary. In the 2nd half, he missed a few that would have been huge in the outcome, including one that was probably the game winning TD. This is the inconsistent part. Like the other top level athletic QBs, he can make some elite throws, just not consistently. And I still haven't seen him throw receivers open.
Clemson's ST were much better against SCar. They didn't hurt themselves but they didn't exactly stand out either.
Clemson's offense faced a very good dline, front 7. The run game didn't have much of an impact but early on, Clemson utilized the quick passing game to negate SCar pressure. Good playcalling. They just weren't able to sustain drives for multiple reasons, most of it because SCar is salty on d.
This was the 2nd game I watched where clemson's WRs were absolutely covered like shrink wrap. 1V1, these guys just don't get open. They're great against zone and they make the catches. You don't see them really elevate over defenders. Against SCar, there were a couple of plays where they actually made defenders miss but they aren't really tackle breakers either though. Wesco would be a middle of the road/upper half SEC WR based on the 2 games I watched closely. Williams and Moore are good. The trio is solid and they are absolutely not a liability. But I've seen DBs from Louisville and SCar hold their own against them in coverage and tackling in space
Clemson's dline didn't live in the backfield. They had some success here and there. SCar started running some counters and GT pulls in the 2nd half which freed up Sellers for big gains.
This was another game where opponent WRs were wide open downfield. Clemson's DBs just weren't particularly impressive covering or tackling.
SCar's offense is just not mysterious and Sellers is pretty average passing. They don't disguise what they're trying to do - run Sellers, pass when necessary. Sellers is really good in that he knows what he can do, break tackles and don't force bad passes. They've done a great job of maximizing his strengths and minimizing his weaknesses.
Having said that, Clemson had mixed success in stopping SCar. Sellers isn't beating anyone through the air but Clemson wasn't able to execute a gameplan to keep him in the pocket like LSU did with Manziel
On the final drive, 1:08 and 2 timeouts, all clemson needed was a FG. Klub was moving down the field nicely. SCar's D line got penetration forcing Klub to run. Then he does what he does which is force a bad throw which was picked. Game over.
Neither offense had great success in this game. Clemson's d could almost solely focus on the run game and still couldn't stop it overall.
I felt like Clemson's biggest advantage was dline vs LSU oline but, I don't think it's as big of an advantage as I thought before watching them more closely. I still think Perk is going to be a factor in neutralizing Klub's running which is going to hurt them badly. Without that, the passing game doesn't really open up and clemson isn't exactly setting the world on fire in that regard anyway.
Clemson is good at not beating themselves with penalties in the 2 games I've seen so far.
Klub is Klub. He scrambled around alot and can definitely pick up yards. He has a good feel for when to scramble. But he takes huge risks and gets clobbered a lot. He's been fortunate to not have a major injury as often as this happens. In the first half, he fit some windows that he missed against Louisville. Excellent, elite passes, especially downfield on the boundary. In the 2nd half, he missed a few that would have been huge in the outcome, including one that was probably the game winning TD. This is the inconsistent part. Like the other top level athletic QBs, he can make some elite throws, just not consistently. And I still haven't seen him throw receivers open.
Clemson's ST were much better against SCar. They didn't hurt themselves but they didn't exactly stand out either.
Clemson's offense faced a very good dline, front 7. The run game didn't have much of an impact but early on, Clemson utilized the quick passing game to negate SCar pressure. Good playcalling. They just weren't able to sustain drives for multiple reasons, most of it because SCar is salty on d.
This was the 2nd game I watched where clemson's WRs were absolutely covered like shrink wrap. 1V1, these guys just don't get open. They're great against zone and they make the catches. You don't see them really elevate over defenders. Against SCar, there were a couple of plays where they actually made defenders miss but they aren't really tackle breakers either though. Wesco would be a middle of the road/upper half SEC WR based on the 2 games I watched closely. Williams and Moore are good. The trio is solid and they are absolutely not a liability. But I've seen DBs from Louisville and SCar hold their own against them in coverage and tackling in space
Clemson's dline didn't live in the backfield. They had some success here and there. SCar started running some counters and GT pulls in the 2nd half which freed up Sellers for big gains.
This was another game where opponent WRs were wide open downfield. Clemson's DBs just weren't particularly impressive covering or tackling.
SCar's offense is just not mysterious and Sellers is pretty average passing. They don't disguise what they're trying to do - run Sellers, pass when necessary. Sellers is really good in that he knows what he can do, break tackles and don't force bad passes. They've done a great job of maximizing his strengths and minimizing his weaknesses.
Having said that, Clemson had mixed success in stopping SCar. Sellers isn't beating anyone through the air but Clemson wasn't able to execute a gameplan to keep him in the pocket like LSU did with Manziel
On the final drive, 1:08 and 2 timeouts, all clemson needed was a FG. Klub was moving down the field nicely. SCar's D line got penetration forcing Klub to run. Then he does what he does which is force a bad throw which was picked. Game over.
Neither offense had great success in this game. Clemson's d could almost solely focus on the run game and still couldn't stop it overall.
I felt like Clemson's biggest advantage was dline vs LSU oline but, I don't think it's as big of an advantage as I thought before watching them more closely. I still think Perk is going to be a factor in neutralizing Klub's running which is going to hurt them badly. Without that, the passing game doesn't really open up and clemson isn't exactly setting the world on fire in that regard anyway.
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 3:56 pm to StingleyJr4Heisman
Many words, little substance.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 4:35 pm to somethingdifferent
SMU
On paper this was a big mismatch. To clemson's credit, they did control the l.o.s. for most of the game but the oline got worse as the game went on. Later in the game, SMU was able to pressure 1v1 without doing anything exotic. 71 Leigh was a liability, especially late.
Clemson's secondary was not impressive. SMU not only outgained clemson but the WRs entered the game with the 3rd fewest drops in the country. In this game, they had a metric ton of dropped passes. Make half of those and that might have been a different outcome, not because of anything clemson did. Clemson's DBs just aren't physical, aren't great tacklers, are mediocre in coverage. LSUs WRs are going to be a major, major upgrade from what clemson faced in the 3 games I've rewatched.
The more I watch woodaz, the less impressed I am. In those 3 games, there was only 1 or 2 plays where I thought he was a big factor; in coverage, shedding a block, running someone down, good instincts, delivering a huge hit, etc. He just disappears, gets blocked, doesn't seem overly physical like Whit, not athletic like Keys. He's not bad at all. He just doesn't jump off the screen. His name doesn't get called a lot by the announcers.
The dline was fine against a completely overmatched SMU oline. They got pressure most of the game, stopped up the running game. They did their job.
Clemson did a good job of keeping Jennings contained. Kudos for that. SMU clearly watched some SCar game video because they ran some GT pull that opened up 2 or 3 moderate runs for Jennings.
Clemson's WRs\Briningstool - same story. They aren't great blockers. They have trouble beating man coverage. You don't see them athletically skying over defenders. Out of the 3 games I've watched, Wesco FINALLY had an elite catch where he had to hit the limit of his catch radius to snag yet another bad Klubnik pass. This group just doesn't do anything that looks elite. They don't separate. They're aren't physical. They consistently get open vs zone and make the catch. That's about it.
Klub - same old story. Hits the wide open receiver vs zone consistently. Makes a couple of elite throws vs man. Misses a ton. Runs around getting dirt planted every 3rd play. Clemson was nursing a tentative 7 point lead with 5 mins left. 3rd and 6. Klub has to drift right, throws a questionable pass that is not intercepted only because the WR played defender. That could have cost Clemson the game.
Clemson's ST were a mixed bag again, although the kicker made a long FG for the close win.
Against better competition, it looks to me like Clemson has more things to clean up than LSU. I still think Perk could be the key on defense. Clemson didn't see anything close to that in these 3 games. He's otherworldly at spying the QB. He's an athletic force that just doesn't come along often and has been a big difference maker when being allowed to get out of the middle.
LSUs d was disruptive last season and really had one big weakness - running QBs. I don't know if Baker can get that cleaned up as a unit but, Perk is certainly going to be a factor in that regard. It's a tool that Baker didn't have in the 3 losses.
I get that a new DC can clean things up but, Clemson's d was not scary at all. I think LSUs oline is going to be good enough against that dline to allow the offense to have some success and keep the game close. Allen just hasn't had enough time to install a sophisticated defense that will totally flummox Sloan/Nuss/BK. the oline just needs to be mediocre. And this is assuming Allen turns out to be instantly great at Clemson.
On paper this was a big mismatch. To clemson's credit, they did control the l.o.s. for most of the game but the oline got worse as the game went on. Later in the game, SMU was able to pressure 1v1 without doing anything exotic. 71 Leigh was a liability, especially late.
Clemson's secondary was not impressive. SMU not only outgained clemson but the WRs entered the game with the 3rd fewest drops in the country. In this game, they had a metric ton of dropped passes. Make half of those and that might have been a different outcome, not because of anything clemson did. Clemson's DBs just aren't physical, aren't great tacklers, are mediocre in coverage. LSUs WRs are going to be a major, major upgrade from what clemson faced in the 3 games I've rewatched.
The more I watch woodaz, the less impressed I am. In those 3 games, there was only 1 or 2 plays where I thought he was a big factor; in coverage, shedding a block, running someone down, good instincts, delivering a huge hit, etc. He just disappears, gets blocked, doesn't seem overly physical like Whit, not athletic like Keys. He's not bad at all. He just doesn't jump off the screen. His name doesn't get called a lot by the announcers.
The dline was fine against a completely overmatched SMU oline. They got pressure most of the game, stopped up the running game. They did their job.
Clemson did a good job of keeping Jennings contained. Kudos for that. SMU clearly watched some SCar game video because they ran some GT pull that opened up 2 or 3 moderate runs for Jennings.
Clemson's WRs\Briningstool - same story. They aren't great blockers. They have trouble beating man coverage. You don't see them athletically skying over defenders. Out of the 3 games I've watched, Wesco FINALLY had an elite catch where he had to hit the limit of his catch radius to snag yet another bad Klubnik pass. This group just doesn't do anything that looks elite. They don't separate. They're aren't physical. They consistently get open vs zone and make the catch. That's about it.
Klub - same old story. Hits the wide open receiver vs zone consistently. Makes a couple of elite throws vs man. Misses a ton. Runs around getting dirt planted every 3rd play. Clemson was nursing a tentative 7 point lead with 5 mins left. 3rd and 6. Klub has to drift right, throws a questionable pass that is not intercepted only because the WR played defender. That could have cost Clemson the game.
Clemson's ST were a mixed bag again, although the kicker made a long FG for the close win.
Against better competition, it looks to me like Clemson has more things to clean up than LSU. I still think Perk could be the key on defense. Clemson didn't see anything close to that in these 3 games. He's otherworldly at spying the QB. He's an athletic force that just doesn't come along often and has been a big difference maker when being allowed to get out of the middle.
LSUs d was disruptive last season and really had one big weakness - running QBs. I don't know if Baker can get that cleaned up as a unit but, Perk is certainly going to be a factor in that regard. It's a tool that Baker didn't have in the 3 losses.
I get that a new DC can clean things up but, Clemson's d was not scary at all. I think LSUs oline is going to be good enough against that dline to allow the offense to have some success and keep the game close. Allen just hasn't had enough time to install a sophisticated defense that will totally flummox Sloan/Nuss/BK. the oline just needs to be mediocre. And this is assuming Allen turns out to be instantly great at Clemson.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:09 pm to Ampipe96
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Tom Allen is going to fix a lot of the stuff on their d elite coordinator who kids love to play for. Aggressive, lots of zone, gang tackling
He'll make some improvements but it will take at least two seasons for him to turn their Defence around
Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:23 pm to somethingdifferent
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As much as I don't like those 3 losses and how they affect BKs future compared to LSU expectations, only the USC loss was equivalent to clemson's losses and the USC game LSU had quite a few things going against the tigers (new coordinators, first year starter, neutral site, etc.)
It's become the narrative, never mind the nuance and context, it's now Kelly can't get the team ready for the first game so we shouldn't schedule to that.
We could do like Ole Piss and schedule pansies for the first 5 games then when we finally play a good team we ain't ready and lose like they have the last 3 years.
Let's just beat these mofo's so we can move on from this!!!
Posted on 8/9/25 at 11:52 pm to somethingdifferent
Texas
As overmatched as SMU was against clemson, clemson was overmatched against Texas. Texas controlled the l.o.s., as they should have. Texas running game was huge. Clemson's front 7 were almost completely ineffective.
Clemson's most consistently successful play is identifying zone and hitting the curl on the hash. They run that play to near perfection both with WRs and Briningstool
This game was the first that I saw Clemson WRs\Briningstool make an elite catch, each. I actually saw a Clemson WR beat a DB for a big gain. Although, Wesco was basically a non factor in this game. This group doesn't block well, they don't shed tackles, they don't get open against man, they rarely make contested catches.
Klub was Klub. He did make more elite throws in this game than the other 3 I watched but, he sure missed a bunch too. Nearly threw multiple interceptions. Pulled an awkward Max Johnson on a near sack. Took a bunch of big hits. He just overplays everything. Tries to take more than the play will give. Ewers was much better at letting the game come to him. He's going to hit some nice passes and he's going to get some yards with his feet but he is absolutely not the best QB in the nation.
Several people have mentioned Randall breaking a couple of runs after Mafah got hurt. The biggest was nice but he should have been tackled at 10 yards but the safety totally whiffed on the play. Randall's running has been overstated a bit.
The best moment I have seen from the Clemson o and Klubnik was late in the 3rd quarter down big. Klub leads them down the field for a TD. Granted the TD was a gift on an assignment bust by the d but still, gutsy playing in a tough environment. If LSU does get ahead, Clemson absolutely won't fold. Dabo's been good at instilling a winning culture and mindset. It will be a dogfight to the end for the real tigers.
Clemson's d got gashed badly all game. It was brutal. Sammy Brown is just a liability. Woodaz had an atrocious first quarter plus, but then made some nice plays late in the 2nd and in the 3rd. Clemson's LBs are stiff, slow and mostly soft. Not athletic like Keys at all and nowhere near as tough as Whit.
I can't understand the hype for Terrell. I don't recall him getting a PBU much less an INT in any of the games I watched. He got called for PI twice in the 2nd half because of how badly he was beat. And let's be honest, Texas' WRs aren't as good as LSUs. He's not physical. He's a mediocre tackler.
Clemson never threatened in this game. Texas was in complete control the entire time.
Clemson was not a physical team in the games I watched. I never saw Clemson defenders knock a player backwards or deliver a big hit. I never saw Clemson offense players lay the wood. Yeah, they hustle and make some plays. But that's about it.
I have seen a ton of pub about their potential 1st round picks. Those are athletic, skilled players. But as a unit, nothing about Clemson is scary to a top tier SEC team and the final scores demonstrate that. They were outclassed, even by a relatively pedestrian SCar offense.
How much will Clemson improve? TBD. Who knows if they're better at all? Can Baker clean up the mobile QB defense with Perk back? Can the oline just be average? Again, from what I've watched, Clemson has more question marks against top competition than LSU.
I expect a close game that depends on LSUs oline. If they can be decent, LSU wins. If they struggle, LSU loses. I think LSUs d will be about as good as Texas' was in the playoff game. Similar personnel ability, proven playcaller. Overall, in terms of talent at each position and depth, LSUs roster is superior.
As overmatched as SMU was against clemson, clemson was overmatched against Texas. Texas controlled the l.o.s., as they should have. Texas running game was huge. Clemson's front 7 were almost completely ineffective.
Clemson's most consistently successful play is identifying zone and hitting the curl on the hash. They run that play to near perfection both with WRs and Briningstool
This game was the first that I saw Clemson WRs\Briningstool make an elite catch, each. I actually saw a Clemson WR beat a DB for a big gain. Although, Wesco was basically a non factor in this game. This group doesn't block well, they don't shed tackles, they don't get open against man, they rarely make contested catches.
Klub was Klub. He did make more elite throws in this game than the other 3 I watched but, he sure missed a bunch too. Nearly threw multiple interceptions. Pulled an awkward Max Johnson on a near sack. Took a bunch of big hits. He just overplays everything. Tries to take more than the play will give. Ewers was much better at letting the game come to him. He's going to hit some nice passes and he's going to get some yards with his feet but he is absolutely not the best QB in the nation.
Several people have mentioned Randall breaking a couple of runs after Mafah got hurt. The biggest was nice but he should have been tackled at 10 yards but the safety totally whiffed on the play. Randall's running has been overstated a bit.
The best moment I have seen from the Clemson o and Klubnik was late in the 3rd quarter down big. Klub leads them down the field for a TD. Granted the TD was a gift on an assignment bust by the d but still, gutsy playing in a tough environment. If LSU does get ahead, Clemson absolutely won't fold. Dabo's been good at instilling a winning culture and mindset. It will be a dogfight to the end for the real tigers.
Clemson's d got gashed badly all game. It was brutal. Sammy Brown is just a liability. Woodaz had an atrocious first quarter plus, but then made some nice plays late in the 2nd and in the 3rd. Clemson's LBs are stiff, slow and mostly soft. Not athletic like Keys at all and nowhere near as tough as Whit.
I can't understand the hype for Terrell. I don't recall him getting a PBU much less an INT in any of the games I watched. He got called for PI twice in the 2nd half because of how badly he was beat. And let's be honest, Texas' WRs aren't as good as LSUs. He's not physical. He's a mediocre tackler.
Clemson never threatened in this game. Texas was in complete control the entire time.
Clemson was not a physical team in the games I watched. I never saw Clemson defenders knock a player backwards or deliver a big hit. I never saw Clemson offense players lay the wood. Yeah, they hustle and make some plays. But that's about it.
I have seen a ton of pub about their potential 1st round picks. Those are athletic, skilled players. But as a unit, nothing about Clemson is scary to a top tier SEC team and the final scores demonstrate that. They were outclassed, even by a relatively pedestrian SCar offense.
How much will Clemson improve? TBD. Who knows if they're better at all? Can Baker clean up the mobile QB defense with Perk back? Can the oline just be average? Again, from what I've watched, Clemson has more question marks against top competition than LSU.
I expect a close game that depends on LSUs oline. If they can be decent, LSU wins. If they struggle, LSU loses. I think LSUs d will be about as good as Texas' was in the playoff game. Similar personnel ability, proven playcaller. Overall, in terms of talent at each position and depth, LSUs roster is superior.
Posted on 8/10/25 at 12:51 am to somethingdifferent
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Texas
He was incredible in this game. These are NFl throws, most of these guys aren't even open.
He obviously doesn't play like this every week though.
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quote:Was that directed at me?
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 9:51 am to CaneyLake
quote:Definitely disagree. the video showed the assignment bust on the last TD, 2 of those passes were incompletions partially because of the pass and there were 3 where he got bailed out by a fantastic play from the receiver. And that video definitely didn't show the lowlights.
He was incredible in this game
quote:Ehh. Maybe 2 or 3 of them. And none of them he threw the WR open. That's the kind of thing Nuss has done multiple times. That's a next level throw
These are NFl throws
But no doubt it was the best game I saw from him in the ones that I rewatched closely. He's going to make some plays, hit some really good passes, extend a drive with his running. But at the highest level throws, he's inconsistent like all the other athletic QBs; Cam Ward, Mateer, Allar, etc. If LSU plays contain on him, make him beat LSU through the air, LSU has a really good chance of containing clemson's offense, like SCar did
Posted on 8/12/25 at 7:34 am to somethingdifferent
Maybe. I’d have to go back and look.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 7:55 am to LSBoosie
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LSBoosie
you are either a massive troll, or a massive idiot. either way, you are obviously a loser.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 8:02 am to somethingdifferent
You discount 2 years of solid play too casually. He is not in the sec, but you act like he plays high school teams. I am on the nuss bus, but think Klubnik deserves more respect than you are giving him. His career is proof enough for me that he is top tier.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 8:04 am to somethingdifferent
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Clemson's WRs\Briningstool - same story. They aren't great blockers. They have trouble beating man coverage. You don't see them athletically skying over defenders. Out of the 3 games I've watched, Wesco FINALLY had an elite catch where he had to hit the limit of his catch radius to snag yet another bad Klubnik pass. This group just doesn't do anything that looks elite. They don't separate. They're aren't physical. They consistently get open vs zone and make the catch. That's about it.
You hit the nail in the head. What stood out to me rewatching their SC tape is their wideouts do not create a ton of seperation vs man coverage. They eviscerate Zone but if you got the Jimmy and Joes to play man they struggle to seperate. We have the personnel to play man coverage against them we absolutely can run with their wideouts.
I like Pickett on Wesco
Delane on Moore
Stamps/woodland on Williams.
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