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re: We were the only SEC basketball team to lose today
Posted on 12/15/24 at 9:20 pm to PNG Futbol
Posted on 12/15/24 at 9:20 pm to PNG Futbol
This is a decent lsu team. Know your program and manage expectations. We arent gonna just become an elite blue blood all of a sudden.
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Posted on 12/15/24 at 9:27 pm to Mobiletiggah
We haven't played even one SEC game yet this season is already being tagged a failure. What up with that?
Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:19 pm to tarzana
The Wade Brigade wants their ounce of flesh. With McNeese floundering they have to seize on every LSU loss, no matter how pathetic their arguments are.
Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:33 pm to P bean
quote:I like it and am going to start using it in reference to all the weak cheerleading freaks.........
sunshit pumpers,
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:18 am to semjase
SEC bottom feeders
Posted on 12/16/24 at 7:07 am to DalenSA
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I watched McMahon start 12-1 his first season and then go on to lose almost every single game after that (2-18 I think?). I will hold any judgement until SEC play starts
It's going to be bad, but he will get another pass from the McMen because Reed is out.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 7:20 am to mmcgrath
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The Wade Brigade wants their ounce of flesh.
So its the "Wade Brigade" that is the problem?
Four seasons and counting. Settlers!
Posted on 12/16/24 at 8:05 am to Mobiletiggah
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They don't appear to be very good
Just hold your horses. LSU plays Stetson, UNO and MVSU before hitting the conference grind. Those three teams have Kenpoms in the 300's and should be a welcome tiramisu for the MBB Tigers.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 8:05 am to lsudave1
ohhhhhhh but you can swear by the McMahon sunshine pumpers that "we comin" 
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:13 am to basiletiger
Oh wow. The haters came out in force. Did you gals have a meeting or is it just that time of month?
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:20 am to Allthatfades
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The basketball team is improved.
Much improved. But conference play is going to be a gauntlet. Still more likely than not to finish in the bottom fourth of the league imo.
Losing Reed for the season while also losing Ward right before the season I hate to say means this team is probably cooked. The SEC is absolutely BRUTAL this season, best in CBB by a long shot. We do not have the horsepower with those 2 out to navigate the SEC in any sort of winnable fashion.
I'm starting to see 6-12 or worse at this point. If it was the SEC of the past with a few bad teams here and there, maybe this team performs near .500, but this year's SEC? We just dont have the guys at this point. And this isnt a indictment on McMahon, just the reality of the situation right now with 2 effective starters gone for the season.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 9:22 am
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:26 am to josh336
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This is a decent lsu team. Know your program and manage expectations. We arent gonna just become an elite blue blood all of a sudden.
This is probably a better team than last season (though maybe not significantly), and McMahon did have a better performance in SEC play last year after a poor showing in the non-conf schedule. Thus, there is reason to hope he can repeat it. However, the SEC has been ridiculously good this year and almost every trend/data point is predicting LSU will be a bottom 1/3rd, maybe even bottom 1/4th team in the league as many of the same issues that plagued his first two LSU teams are there again. Being one of the worst of a really good group of teams isn't "success".
NO ONE is/was expecting LSU to become a "blue blood" all of a sudden. Particularly when they have really never been one in the history of the program. IF LSU finishes at the bottom of the league this year that will be the 2nd time in 3 years. There is no sport where fortunes can change as quickly as in college basketball. Sustaining success is a difference conversation. But if that happens it would be reasonable to question if the program is actually progressing towards anything of note. If so, what exactly is the peak of that potentially success? A tournament appearance once in every 4 years? Would that be the ultimate goal for the program?
Again, one loss to what looks to be a decent SMU team doesn't mean the season is over. But at some point there has to be some level of expectation.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:30 am to josh336
Excuses abound. It's Wade's fault. McMahon doesn't have this or that. Players are leaving so there is no continuity. This player got hurt or that player isn't doing what he should be doing.
My early take: We seem to be a somewhat better team than last year. My best guess now is that we are a second or third round NIT team instead of a blowout home court first round loss. Less likely would be a NCAA bid or no post season tournament appearance at all, IMO.
I do think that it is taking too long for the relatively small amount of incremental improvement seen from the first to third year. In this age of transfer portal, the best coaches are able to adapt and thrive. McMahon likely will have this year and next year to prove it.
I have heard rumors that the powers that be are happy with the slow progress he is making.
My early take: We seem to be a somewhat better team than last year. My best guess now is that we are a second or third round NIT team instead of a blowout home court first round loss. Less likely would be a NCAA bid or no post season tournament appearance at all, IMO.
I do think that it is taking too long for the relatively small amount of incremental improvement seen from the first to third year. In this age of transfer portal, the best coaches are able to adapt and thrive. McMahon likely will have this year and next year to prove it.
I have heard rumors that the powers that be are happy with the slow progress he is making.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:34 am to thunderbird1100
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I'm starting to see 6-12 or worse at this point. If it was the SEC of the past with a few bad teams here and there, maybe this team performs near .500, but this year's SEC? We just dont have the guys at this point. And this isnt a indictment on McMahon, just the reality of the situation right now with 2 effective starters gone for the season.
Ward had been a one-trick pony for LSU (spot up three point shooter). I'd make the argument the combination of Bailey and V. Miller at that position is a net positive for the team. You don't have the three point shooting, but you gain much more in just about ever other aspect.
The loss of Reed hurts because McMahon's teams have routinely been abysmal in the half-court offense. Reed as a guy who you could run sets for. Now, LSU doesn't really have that guy (though they are better defensively with Collins/Chest inside), which makes the halfcourt offense seemingly worse. LSU was already falling in the offense efficiency stats with Reed in. That's continuing at a quicker pace now. But I don't think Reed's loss takes them team from 10-11 SEC wins to 5-6. He's probably worth about 2-3 wins because there is the tradeoff of improved defense.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:39 am to PNG Futbol
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I have heard rumors that the powers that be are happy with the slow progress he is making.
I don't think Woodward wants to make a coaching change after this season. Particularly when he knows there is a LOT of demand for improvement in football. Also, there is not a lot of external pressure from donors/fans to make a change. Most are completely apathetic towards the program, and you have probably 40% - 50% of the fanbase who continues to be happy with McMahon despite no success. So unless LSU completely tanks to a 2-16, 3-15 SEC record, I don't think there will be much discussion from the people who matter about making a change after this season.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 10:48 am to thunderbird1100
Missouri went 0-19 in the conference last season, but thanks to a stellar class coming, they're a serious player in the SEC this year. They upset KANSAS on the road
They say the darkest hour... is just before the dawn
They say the darkest hour... is just before the dawn
Posted on 12/16/24 at 10:54 am to Mobiletiggah
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Are we really going to start complaining about this basketball team now?
They don’t appear to be very good. ??
holy shite there are some real idiots that talk about basketball on this board. We beat a good team we are awesome and set up for tourney run. We lose to a good team and we suck. MM cant coach blah blah. Bunch a inbreds
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:13 am to lsudave1
This fanbase is as bi-polar as it gets. Win and game and we’re awesome. Lose to a top 40 team at a “neutral site” and we’re terrible.
This team is not a top 10 team, but there is no reason to think we won't be contending for a NCAA tournament spot.
The SEC champion will probably have 6 or 7 losses this year and still be ranked in the top 5.
This team is not a top 10 team, but there is no reason to think we won't be contending for a NCAA tournament spot.
The SEC champion will probably have 6 or 7 losses this year and still be ranked in the top 5.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:42 am to lsudave1
SHOULD HAVE NEVER FIRED WADE
Posted on 12/16/24 at 12:57 pm to mmcgrath
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That and the best part of their 5-5 record are two losses. tMoralVictory Cowboys.
McNeese is 3-5 (two of the wins don't count b/c they were cupcake teams).
Their NET ranking is 98, while we are 8-2 and ranked 64.
Our best wins are KSU 102, UCF 90, and FSU 79.
Their 3 wins are Longwood 252 Illinois State 142 and North Texas 66.
So how are they ranked in the top 100 with a 3-5 record in a bottom tier conference?
Well their 5 losses are to 106, 10, 63, 78, and 24, and none of those losses were by double digits. The only two good teams we've played, we lost to both by double digits.
They've only played 1 Q4 team, while we've played 4. We've both played 2 Q1 games and 2 Q2 games.
If we had McNeese's schedule, our NET ranking would be higher.
Our SOS is sitting at 141 right now.
McNeese's SOS is 36.
We already have 4 Q4 games played, and our next 3 opponents are ranked 355, 335 and dead last 364.
McMahon did his team zero favors if we are a bubble team b/c of the horrible scheduling.
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