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Posted on 2/9/26 at 7:12 am to misey94
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I’ll admit Jones was a bit of a straw man, but he’s still not a good coach and where he’s coaching now with no offers to move up adequately demonstrates what his level is.
Jones was pretty much an average coach evan at his level when he was at North Texas. There were multiple coaches at his level in and even in that conference that he competed in that were more qualified than he - But the admins had been brow beaten by the Dale/Collis mafia to hire Jones for years and finally capitulated....just yet another example of the lack of resolve to succeed in men's hoops that they surrendered that hill so easily.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 7:50 am to Tiger Ugly
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just yet another example of the lack of resolve to succeed in men's hoops that they surrendered that hill so easily.
I don't think it was so much a lack of resolve as it was that Alleva lost the benefit of the doubt. Alleva's first hire at LSU, in any sport, was Trent Johnson. Trent did not want to fundraise nor engage in the cutthroat recruiting world that was absolutely necessary to win in the SEC. The results reflected that. So Alleva lost the benefit out the doubt and full autonomy on hiring the next coach. The next hire had to be someone different than Alleva's choice. Jones's biggest attribute was that he had the ties to the Brown fundraising network and would do what he needed to do to recruit...and he did (unless you think guys like Martin, Mickey, Quarterman, Blakeney, Simmons, etc came to LSU simply for their "love" of LSU). He was just a below average floor coach.
Coaching hires tend to fluctuate. If one guy doesn't work human nature is to try to hire someone with strengths opposite of the failed HC. The admin didn't like the brashness of Wade...so they went with a guy who was more "buttoned up". Unfortunately, they landed on a guy with the charisma of Johnson and floor coaching ability at the EXACT wrong time in CBB history.
Now it is time to wipe the slate clean. Verge is not a "basketball" guy. But he has been a member of the LSU AD for 30+ years. If nothing else, that should mean he's seen what does and what does not work for MBB as he has been there from the end of Brown trough today. I went to the game Saturday and had the opportunity to speak with someone who was formerly on MM's staff. He confirmed what was evident. MM doesn't like to recruit and doesn't like the fundraising aspect of the job. He "outsources" that to the assistants. So when you hear of the "lack of money and commitment" as big reason is you don't have an HC who hustles to get it. I suspect the traits the AD will look for in the next hire will be the opposite.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 7:58 am to lsudave1
So, you are saying what exactly?
Posted on 2/9/26 at 8:07 am to lsudave1
Just wanted to drop in here and say that I was interested to see how bad Mcmahon has been historically in the SEC. From what I found, out of all coaches since the 1940s that have coached for an SEC school 4 or more years, Mcmahon has the second worst SEC winning %. Currently the only one with a worse record was Tom Crean at UGA. If Mcmahon doesn't win another game, they will be tied
So yeah, he's THAT bad
So yeah, he's THAT bad
This post was edited on 2/9/26 at 8:08 am
Posted on 2/9/26 at 9:59 am to Alt26
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I don't think it was so much a lack of resolve as it was that Alleva lost the benefit of the doubt.
Well, however one chooses to describe it he did not want to fight that group again and basically backed down to appease them.
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Jones's biggest attribute was that he had the ties to the Brown fundraising network
No doubt, he was with Dale for a long time and I know for a fact he had a better relationship with one of the bigger boosters than even Dale did. But he was also Dales main recruiter and head assistant the last 4 years and when we went on probation - something the Dale/Collis mafia was always willing to overlook - hell they wanted Johnny to have the job when Dale "Retired" that's how brazen the group was in their zeal to perpetuate the Dale legacy.
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I went to the game Saturday and had the opportunity to speak with someone who was formerly on MM's staff. He confirmed what was evident. MM doesn't like to recruit and doesn't like the fundraising aspect of the job.
Yes, quite obvious which is why I always summarily dismissed the lack of financial support as an excuse for him because he was/is complicit in that.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 11:29 am to Alt26
Curly was pretty bad
Posted on 2/9/26 at 11:35 am to lsudave1
I believe he was an agreed upon selection to prevent LSU basketball from getting a public death penalty while making the program a perennial loser for a prescribed period of time.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 12:11 pm to drizztiger
Absolutely perfect meme response. Touche
Posted on 2/9/26 at 12:13 pm to Alt26
Sounds like Will Wade is the perfect hire. Again
Posted on 2/9/26 at 1:44 pm to BigTigerJoe
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I believe he was an agreed upon selection to prevent LSU basketball from getting a public death penalty while making the program a perennial loser for a prescribed period of time.
LSU was never getting a "death penalty". Nor was there any actual threat of that.
LSU didn't hire McMahon because they thought he'd be a "clean" loser. Go look at the resumes of the other 5 HCs hired by SEC programs in that cycle. McMahon's were comparable to all of them (except Mike White, who had moderate success at Florida). MM had a better resume than Todd Golden, whom he beat in the NCAA Tournament before getting the LSU job.
The reality is Woodward didn't have the forethought to see what was needed in this changing era of college sports. LSU (and now school) needed a "developer" over the course of 3, 4 years. They needed someone who could build relationships (to get money) and be adaptable to the roster. MM has never done that. He's tried to "build" LSU like Murray St...which wouldn't have worked before or after the NIL/transfer changes.
MM had never experienced the cutthroat nature of major college recruiting. Compare that with a guy like Golden, who was an assistant at Auburn under Pearl for 2 seasons.
MM was simply just the wrong guy at the wrong time. It happens. There are rarely any guarantees in coaching hires. If you looked at Miles, Kelly, Orgeron, hell, even Saban at the time LSU hired them and said "who is the most likely to win a NC", the easy answer would have been Kelly. Yet, he's the only one who left without a NC. Now it's time to just cut the losses and move on with (hopefully) better knowledge of what the right hire could look like.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:04 pm to BigTigerJoe
There’s no death penalty anymore
Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:36 pm to Madking
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There’s no death penalty anymore
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The NCAA's "death penalty" for college basketball has not officially ended, as it is a term used for the harshest punishment that can be imposed on a program, which has only been applied a few times.
The most notable instance was Southern Methodist University (SMU) in 1987, which was banned from competition for the entire 1987 season and had to cancel its 1988 season as well.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 5:14 pm to BigTigerJoe
It’s 2026 not 1987, there’s no more death penalty
Posted on 2/10/26 at 4:54 pm to Big4SALTbro
I just remember my dad telling the story about at halftime in 1982, looking at his friend and said “I don’t think they got a first down”. Then like clock work the PA announce said Alabama first downs zero. I remember watching the 93 game as a kid thinking we have a chance at a title. We didn’t for 10 more years.
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