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re: Zero upside to the actions JA is taking... all downside.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
Jake, they had grounds to fire him based on his insubordination. However, that would have been a rush to judgement.
Suspending him and gathering the facts is a very fair move for both parties.
Suspending him and gathering the facts is a very fair move for both parties.
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:39 pm to Lester Earl
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Whether he knew the line was tapped or not, Wade knows he had the conversation.
and LSU knows we gave impermissible benefits to get Smart to sign. tomato tomato
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the problem is the story is already public. They can't just pretend its not there
what has Kansas done to Bill Self?
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:40 pm to Lester Earl
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Jake, they had grounds to fire him based on his insubordination.
then they should have
fire him or support him. don't do this. this is the worst option
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:41 pm to Meauxjeaux
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Meauxjeaux
You’re wrong.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:42 pm to Lester Earl
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Jake, they had grounds to fire him based on his insubordination. However, that would have been a rush to judgement.
They knew he couldn’t talk
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's irrelevant. his alleged statement to Alleva was that he didn't know of any more evidence that would come out
no, it's not irrelevant. You are arguing like the kid who says he wasn't lying when he omitted information. Wade knew what he and Dawkins had talked about. He was hoping it didn't come out. Stop trying to spin this quote:
no it's just properly describing what was allegedly promised
He was caught negotiating pay-for-play. You know it, I know it quote:
so who were the sources for the story, you reckon? the story that paints the AD in the perfect light and gives a public excuse for the suspension? you think Wade leaked that story? it's either Wade or LSU's AD. you pick
prove they were fabricated in any way. You can't
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uh, in a meeting about paying players, "things he shouldn't say" are "everything". hence why his lawyers responded and Alleva isn't stupid enough to not understand that
Well, you're clearly too stupid (or stubborn) to understand why suspending him was the right decision and to be expected.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:43 pm to Lester Earl
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Jake, they had grounds to fire him based on his insubordination
When they know the FBI is involved and if they fire him for not showing up to a meeting, and he ends up being innocent of all charges, LSU ends up getting sued for damages
They went with the suspension precisely because they had no grounds to fire him. They wouldn’t have even suspended him if they weren’t feeling the heat
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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fire him or support him. don't do this. this is the worst option
dont rush to judgement
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:quote:uh, that's what he did
He could go in and tell them he can't discuss specifics due to legal concerns.
Not what I've read. I read he refused to meet with them at all citing the ongoing issues. That is different. Go see the boss with your attorney, set the guidelines of what you can or will not talk about. If that is, in fact, what happened, then I would have to revisit my position. What I read all said "refused to meet with". In most companies that would end with termination as soon as the paperwork could be processed.
Fortunately, college athletics doesn't work like most companies. Hopefully the suspension is not a prelude to a firing.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:44 pm to Lester Earl
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dont rush to judgement
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or support him
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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or support him
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rush to judgement
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:49 pm to Lester Earl
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Lester Earl
I think it's over his head right now. By placing Wade on administrative leave, it allows them to investigate what they can (to appease the NCAA) while still paying Wade, not firing him, and not taking a side. Rushing to judgment would be firing him right now or going all in with defending him.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:50 pm to lsufball19
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You are arguing like the kid who says he wasn't lying when he omitted information.
if you don't intentionally omit information, you're not lying
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Wade knew what he and Dawkins had talked about.
but he didn't know which of those conversation may be evidence, which is the sort of data he discussed with LSU
he didn't say he never had the conversations, per LSU. LSU said he promised no more evidence would come out (which he obviously didn't think would)
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He was caught negotiating pay-for-play. You know it, I know it
i don't know why you keep saying this like i'm denying that issue
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prove they were fabricated in any way. You can't
earlier his morning, i actually thought about sending a FOIA request to LSU's AD to get all information related to these conversations
so i may get that information
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:51 pm to lsufball19
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it allows them to investigate what they can (to appease the NCAA)
there isn't even an NCAA investigation
by all of your standards, Kansas, Arizona, and Duke are all staring down the barrel of the death penalty for not suspending their coaches
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:51 pm to lsufball19
i mean is this not fair and what both sides have said would be fair?
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:56 pm to Lester Earl
That's not what happened.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if you don't intentionally omit information, you're not lying
You think he forgot about the 3 phone calls he had with Dawkins and what those calls were about? That's the hill you want to die on?
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but he didn't know which of those conversation may be evidence, which is the sort of data he discussed with LSU
He knew Dawkins' phone was tapped once the first tape came out. Any rational person would think all his phone calls with Dawkins were recorded. Are you saying Will Wade is dumb?
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LSU said he promised no more evidence would come out (which he obviously didn't think would)
So you think Will Wade is dumb or just plain ignorant? Or is this just a really bad excuse?
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i don't know why you keep saying this like i'm denying that issue
Then what's your problem with the suspension?
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earlier his morning, i actually thought about sending a FOIA request to LSU's AD to get all information related to these conversations
do it then
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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there isn't even an NCAA investigation
This is such a stupid talking point. Mark Emmert had said there will be but they can't start one until the trial is over. Like this has been rehashed over and over. That doesn't mean you don't prepare for one when something is released as was on Thursday. You know without a doubt there will 100% be an investigation. This is a very very poor stance to take.
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by all of your standards, Kansas, Arizona, and Duke are all staring down the barrel of the death penalty for not suspending their coaches
Arizona did suspend their coach. The other programs didn't have their head coach on a wiretap. Stop comparing other schools to LSU.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 1:02 pm to Lester Earl
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i mean is this not fair and what both sides have said would be fair?
There are only 4 scenarios:
1- Javonte plays, ruled ineligible. LSU fricked.
2- Javonte sits, ruled ineligible. LSU fricked.
3- Javonte plays, ruled eligible. LSU good.
4- Javonte sits, ruled eligible. LSU fricked.
Sitting Javonte is stupid and makes you look like you’re guilty. There is 0 moral victory here.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 1:02 pm to ArcticFox
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That's not what happened.
what happened then buddy
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