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re: Lebron averaged 34.5, 8.5, and 10
Posted on 6/8/18 at 10:23 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Posted on 6/8/18 at 10:23 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Your beef is that he isn't getting credit for something he wasn't responsible for?
If you honestly think LeBron did not influence the joining up of him, Wade and Bosh, I just disagree then. All 3 were free agents.
Saying that was all Riley...well, I didn't know people seriously thought LeBron didn't influence it. I mean, people say he created the superteam all the time and talk about "collusion" in 2008.
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Posted on 6/8/18 at 10:24 am to lsupride87
quote:Lebron colluded because he started putting that team together 2 years before he hit free agency!!!!!
claiming Lebron isn’t responsible for Miami is lol worthy
Lebron wasn't responsible for putting that team together!!!!
Posted on 6/8/18 at 10:24 am to cubsfan5150
quote:Ok.
Ah yes, I'm sure that letting Lebron walk would go over quite well when he's going to get the 1-yr deal with a player option somewhere.
Feel free to keep making excuses for GMs for deals they agreed to, sounds like fun.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:04 am to Rep520
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If you honestly think LeBron did not influence the joining up of him, Wade and Bosh, I just disagree then. All 3 were free agents.
Saying that was all Riley...well, I didn't know people seriously thought LeBron didn't influence it. I mean, people say he created the superteam all the time and talk about "collusion" in 2008.
Riley orchestrated all of it. I mean it still took a ton of convincing to get LeBron to join Wade and Bosh after they had joined together. Riley orchestrated it over a couple years. This is not just random opinion.
Did LeBron, Wade, and Bosh talk and influence each other? Of course. Was LeBron the one responsible for forming the super team? Absolutely not.
On the other hand, LeBron is completely responsible for how these Cavalier teams have been formed.
This isn't a "well since it went badly it's LeBron's fault". This is a LeBron did a poor job forming his Cavalier team. He did not form that Heat team.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:05 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:If I searched your post history, are you confident you would be consistent with this?
Was LeBron the one responsible for forming the super team? Absolutely not.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 11:06 am
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:07 am to lsupride87
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If I searched your post history, are you confident you would be consistent with this?
Pretty damn sure. I rarely post in basketball threads
I also don't discredit LeBron for being on super teams. Nothing wrong with it. Do what you have to do.
ETA: Hell, I'd give Wade more credit for the formation of that team than I would LeBron if we are talking players.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 11:13 am
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:31 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Did LeBron, Wade, and Bosh talk and influence each other? Of course. Was LeBron the one responsible for forming the super team? Absolutely not.
On the other hand, LeBron is completely responsible for how these Cavalier teams have been formed.
That just isn't true. It was well known LeBron was friends with David Griffin and the Cavs canned him.
Things like Kyrie's trade have shaped the Cavs and were beyond LeBron's control too. You have to be deep in the tank to think LeBron wanted Kyrie gone. It was Kyrie's dissatisfaction with being second.
LeBron absolutely played a role in the Miami team creation. Other people have absolutely played a role in the Cavs personnel development. He is a player in both ends of it.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:32 am to Rep520
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Things like Kyrie's trade have shaped the Cavs and were beyond LeBron's control too. You have to be deep in the tank to think LeBron wanted Kyrie gone. It was Kyrie's dissatisfaction with being second.
False
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:33 am to Dawgsontop34
Once the shithole of Cleveland is no longer gaining enjoyment from him I’ll look back and respect it
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:35 am to Dawgsontop34
LeGoat gonna LeGoat
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:35 am to nateslu1
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MJ's heart is what set him apart from today's all-stars.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:36 am to Ryan3232
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Lebron was clearly the 2nd best player though. If stats dont mean anything, why was Durant the best player?
You probably thought you were so smart when you wrote this lol
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:41 am to Rep520
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That just isn't true. It was well known LeBron was friends with David Griffin and the Cavs canned him.
Cool. There are still owners of the team. I never said they had zero say. LeBron still designed this team. If you are trying to argue otherwise, you're just being obtuse.
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Things like Kyrie's trade have shaped the Cavs and were beyond LeBron's control too. You have to be deep in the tank to think LeBron wanted Kyrie gone. It was Kyrie's dissatisfaction with being second.
I never said he wanted Kyrie gone.
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LeBron absolutely played a role in the Miami team creation. Other people have absolutely played a role in the Cavs personnel development. He is a player in both ends of it.
LeBron still took convincing to join the Heat. He wasn't even part of the team. There was still a very good chance he was going to go to Chicago or NY until Riley convinced Bosh to come to Miami, which helped convince Wade to stay.
With Cleveland, LeBron joined the team and dictated who they went after. With Miami, yes he, Wade, and Bosh talked, but Riley was the one that convinced them all to join in Miami and play together. LeBron did not orchestrate that. That is why you cannot give LeBron credit for the formation of that team.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:50 am to shel311
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That's quite the excuse making for GMs, giving them an excuse for something they agreed to.
People completely let the GMs off the hook.
Same thing when Lebron is the one supposedly making all the moves for the team. Last I checked he was a player. The GM is the one that still has to agree to the transactions. Why do they get zero blame? You ask any player in the world who they want for teammates, they're going to tell you.
But I'll play along, he's LeGM. If we really want to break all of this down, as a GM he's won 3 championships and had 8 straight Finals appearances. That's HOF level GMing.
So he's either not making the moves, or he's making the moves and having more success than most GMs that have ever existed.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 11:51 am
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:56 am to GoCrazyAuburn
I don't know why we're arguing. LeBron is important in Cle personnel decisions, but not solely responsible. I think we agree there.
In Miami, he was important tii, but not solely responsible. Riley did a great job in freeing cap space.
I just disagree that he should get dinged for the personnel role he plays in CLE and get no credit for the personnel role he played in MIA. Even beyond creation, he was important in recruiting guys like Ray Allen and Mike Miller in FA.
In Miami, he was important tii, but not solely responsible. Riley did a great job in freeing cap space.
I just disagree that he should get dinged for the personnel role he plays in CLE and get no credit for the personnel role he played in MIA. Even beyond creation, he was important in recruiting guys like Ray Allen and Mike Miller in FA.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 12:07 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Lebron is averaging 37.7, 9, and 10.7 on 53% shooting, 35% from 3, and 85% from the line
He's also averaging 0 wins so far in the Finals.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 12:10 pm to Goldrush25
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People completely let the GMs off the hook.
EVERYONE ELSE IS AT FAULT!
leCry is da best!
Posted on 6/8/18 at 12:14 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Lebron is averaging 37.7, 9, and 10.7 on 53% shooting, 35% from 3, and 85% from the line
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I get making fun of LeGM, because he put this team around him. I've said it before, but I still don't get the hate for him as a player.
Because they want to protect the mythology and status of Michael Jordan at all costs and they pursue this by trashing anything LeBron does, represents major insecurity with these people if they stoop to that level in debate
Posted on 6/8/18 at 12:23 pm to Goldrush25
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But I'll play along, he's LeGM. If we really want to break all of this down, as a GM he's won 3 championships and had 8 straight Finals appearances. That's HOF level GMing.
Again, I don't think anyone with any credibility is giving LBJ any credit for Miami other than planting a seed. Riley did all of the work, year in and year out.
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So he's either not making the moves, or he's making the moves and having more success than most GMs that have ever existed.
Typical LBJ sucker that talks out of both sides... either you think he's a great GM or he doesn't have enough help. It can't be both.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 12:28 pm to cubsfan5150
quote:It can be both though, when not enough help is solely a result of not enough help against the most talented team in history.
either you think he's a great GM or he doesn't have enough help. It can't be both.
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