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re: Will Nebraska football ever make a comeback?
Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:34 pm to WaterLink
Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:34 pm to WaterLink
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For as much shite as Pelini got, he won 9-10 games literally every year he was there, made the Big 12 CG twice and also made the Big 10 CG after the move.
Frank Solich took them to the national title game, two years later led them to the Rose Bowl, two years later he was fired after a 10 win season. Bo Pelini was his DC.
Solich's 58 wins during his first six seasons as Nebraska's head coach exceeded those of his predecessors, Bob Devaney (53 wins) and Osborne (55 wins)
He was replaced by Bill Callahan, who was fired after 4 seasons, when in Novermber 2007 his team allowed 76 points to Kansas and then 65 points to Colorado in the season finale. Solich would be hired Ohio, where he has become the all time MAC wins leader.
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 12:38 pm to OldNo.7
Don't get me wrong, we absolutely whiffed on Burrow coming out of high school and transferring. Unfortunately, with his lack of game experience it wasn't cut and dry at the time. LSU took a chance and it paid off tremendously.
I do chuckle at the "21st century offense" comment when Nebraska literally ditched the power option in 2001 at the turn of the century. I'll give him a pass if he is a Virginia football fan though
I do chuckle at the "21st century offense" comment when Nebraska literally ditched the power option in 2001 at the turn of the century. I'll give him a pass if he is a Virginia football fan though
Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:25 pm to RollTide1987
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They want someone who will prepare them for the NFL. If you get a coach with a proven pedigree of doing just that in Lincoln, I guarantee you they will start pulling more and more four and five star athletes.
It's not that simple, to get the consistent top 10 classes that most playoff teams have you need a deep "home" recruiting base and Nebraska doesn't have that. That's not to say they can't get some elite players but they likely cannot get enough to rely on. People have mentioned Wisconsin but Oregon has been in a couple of title games the last decade, they didn't have elite recruiting classes. The don;t have a lot of in state talent but are relatively close to California. They differentiated themselves with their offense and Nike was able to provide elite facilities. They started with the 3*s and developed them over time they started getting some 5* but that was after they were winning pretty consistently.
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Before 2008, many people were asking the same questions about Alabama that they're asking of Nebraska now. All Nebraska needs is a good recruiter who can put together a solid staff and they will be back in the running
People saying that about Alabama in 2008 were wrong and i would have said so then, just like USC or Miami currently. People overreact to the current situation and act like it can never change. Those are places you just need the right guy and the admin on board. Miami can most certainly get back to where they were in the 80's and 90's Nebraska can not.
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:29 pm to TigerintheNO
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Frank Solich took them to the national title game, two years later led them to the Rose Bowl, two years later he was fired after a 10 win season.
Looking back, that was a huge mistake because the circumstances had already changed, but at that time, Nebraska still thought they could be the 90's Nebraska. The NU people can better comment but I don't think Pellini was fired for lack of wins but because he was generally a pain in the arse and everyone working there hated him. You can get away with that IF you are winning Titles but 9 wins and getting 70 hung on you in the B1GCG that ain't gonna fly
Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:43 pm to tiger perry
What constitutes a comeback?
A dynasty? Probably not. They don't have enough natural built-in advantages (such as location) to do that.
A NC contender? Sure, they still have a history and can put together a good year to make a run.
A dynasty? Probably not. They don't have enough natural built-in advantages (such as location) to do that.
A NC contender? Sure, they still have a history and can put together a good year to make a run.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:55 pm to tiger perry
No. They're done.
I expect them to fire Frost in a couple of years when he fails to live up to the PTB's unrealistic expectations. He's a helluva HC, and will be extremely successful in his next gig.
I expect them to fire Frost in a couple of years when he fails to live up to the PTB's unrealistic expectations. He's a helluva HC, and will be extremely successful in his next gig.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 2:13 pm to Goldrush25
A comeback would not have to be a dynasty. A comeback would be top 10 with a chance to ocassionally win the conference. Top 5/10 ish
Posted on 4/13/20 at 2:17 pm to tiger perry
I agree with the people that say there’s no reason Nebraska couldn’t be a Wisconsin.
I do not think Nebraska will ever have the talent/depth to win a national title, though.
I do not think Nebraska will ever have the talent/depth to win a national title, though.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 2:29 pm to tiger perry
I spent three years in Lincoln for school and I was impressed with the support for ALL the sports programs from the fanbase. Also loved the town but the reasons I loved it are probably the reasons kids from the South may not. I think it helps that half the states population is between Lincoln and Omaha. Tailgating was a blast albeit more PG than Gainesville which was a positive for me.
The kids I was in school with that were UNL undergrads were also all pretty realistic about the programs ceiling in today's world, not really alot of red and white glasses for the most part. That being said I believe if the program continues to go the way it is that fan support will eventually start to go away a little. Over my time there exasperation was starting to grow.
Edit: All that being said about realistic fans they still largely refused to acknowledge why they were successful as far as walk on program, partial and non qualifiers, and modern S&C plus steroids. God help you if you besmirch the good name of Tom Osborne.
The kids I was in school with that were UNL undergrads were also all pretty realistic about the programs ceiling in today's world, not really alot of red and white glasses for the most part. That being said I believe if the program continues to go the way it is that fan support will eventually start to go away a little. Over my time there exasperation was starting to grow.
Edit: All that being said about realistic fans they still largely refused to acknowledge why they were successful as far as walk on program, partial and non qualifiers, and modern S&C plus steroids. God help you if you besmirch the good name of Tom Osborne.
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 4/13/20 at 2:50 pm to Goldrush25
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What constitutes a comeback?
A dynasty? Probably not. They don't have enough natural built-in advantages (such as location) to do that.
A NC contender? Sure, they still have a history and can put together a good year to make a run.
I agree with this. They don't have the talent base to dominate like the 90's, and it's a different game.
It's more possible they get #10-15 recruiting classes, and then challenge for the CFP if/when things break right. That level of recruiting is doable, and it can convert into results when you have a hot streak of player development.
The model that jumps to my mind is Michigan State recently. Good enough recruiting, regularly poking around 10 wins, break through to the CFP once, have some down years now and again.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 3:13 pm to Rep520
they need a difference-maker at QB, which they haven't had in years. Taylor Martinez showed flashes his freshman year, but then suffered an injury and was never the same. Adrian Martinez also showed flashes his freshman year, but then last year, he inexplicably regressed in a big way. Their OL and DL looked like a bunch of 300-lb. marshmallows, at times. Not sure what's up w/ their strength and conditioning program, but after all the talk of players getting stronger and gaining muscle mass, last season didn't show that one bit. Their DC (Chinander) isn't very good, either. Hopefully Frost's loyalty to his assistants doesn't cost him in the long run.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 3:58 pm to Samson
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Their OL and DL looked like a bunch of 300-lb. marshmallows, at times
This is a great point. Nebraska has been bad in the trenches. Doesn't help when the game slows down against Iowa and Wisconsin.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 4:04 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Colorado did the same thing; they even had gang members from L.A. on the team.
I bet there are less than 5% of P5 schools that don't have any players at least connected to a gang.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 4:09 pm to Samson
I think Chinander isnt all that bad, I think he got hung out to dry by Martinez and the offense being below average.
Im wondering how long Frost gives Martinez next season before moving on to McCaffery or one of the others.
Im wondering how long Frost gives Martinez next season before moving on to McCaffery or one of the others.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 4:43 pm to JPLSU1981
I wonder if most Nebraska fans, after a few drinks, would admit they'd be better off in the big 12 with their biggest rival OU.
Not having that game on a frozen November field anymore is a crime.
Not having that game on a frozen November field anymore is a crime.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 5:42 pm to H-Town Tiger
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It's not that simple, to get the consistent top 10 classes that most playoff teams have you need a deep "home" recruiting base and Nebraska doesn't have that.
So you make one.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 6:18 pm to RollTide1987
Frost has ties to Florida and has been able to land some decent talent in his past two recruiting classes. They need one solid season to prove they are on the upswing and it will entice more talent to give Nebraska a look.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 6:31 pm to RollTide1987
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So you make one.
good idea, maybe they could relocate to the South or maybe California or import a few hundred thousand African Americans
Look what Saban did when he first got to LSU. He locked down the state. the 2001 LSU class was epic because it was a great year in Louisiana. Spears, Clayton, Whitworth, M. Hill (RIP) all from La. Same thing when get got to Alabama he really cleaned house in Mobile. To convince 25 studs from around the country to go to Nebraska is a a tough order without having local instate kids to build on.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 3:02 am to tiger perry
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They were a power in the 70s, 80s, and 90s? Can the right coach restore them?
I work in Nebraska and talk with their fans nonstop. They support Frost, the administration finally woke up that they had to dump money in the program and are doing it. They've basically had to rebuild their recruiting from nothing after Riley dumped everything in the plains states to focus on the west coast which was a disaster. Administration is in it for the long haul with Frost, despite what the posters here say. Frost can have another 2 seasons before they start demanding victories. He's gotten their recruiting averages back up into the 20s which was their first big step into rebuilding. Last year they were #18 on Rivals I believe.
Give it time and they'll be contenders in the B1G West. I'd be shocked if they don't make a bowl game this year, but they have to get off to a good start because that last month of the season is going to be brutal.
10/31 @tOSU
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11/14 @Iowa
11/21 @Wisc
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 5:22 pm to tiger perry
If they allow colleges to pay athletes they could become competitive. Their pockets are pretty deep. Can’t see any other reason recruits would go there
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