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re: Casino or the Godfather
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:49 am to Bond... James Bond
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:49 am to Bond... James Bond
How is this even a debate? Da Gaud Fada laughs at this bullshite son.
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:51 am to Fewer Kilometers
That dumb arse "Mafia" movie > casino
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:58 am to DelU249
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In my younger days I preferred casino, but watching goodfellas I feel like I'm at the movies. It's more engrossing.
It's hard to articulate
I think Goodfellas, as a movie (and I use that specifically) is superior to even the film that is the Godfather. There's just something about the movie that makes it all work as an experience.
As a technical achievement, the Godfather is nigh unmatched.
I always liked Goodfellas, but I appreciate it even more now, but it works on another level than Casino. I wouldn't say it's age specifically that separates the two, but an appreciation for a different type of experience.
Yeah still hard to articulate.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 7:37 am to DelU249
The Godfather I & II is all you need to see.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:02 am to Freauxzen
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I think Goodfellas, as a movie (and I use that specifically) is superior to even the film that is the Godfather. There's just something about the movie that makes it all work as an experience.
Well - let's talk about that - The Godfather (F. Ford Coppola) was, more or less, shot as a conventional drama - at least for a film in the mid-"New Hollywood" era - so, there were more "close in" dramatic scenes, darker and more realistic lighting, grittier/saltier dialogue. Brando overshadowed much of the film - at times threatening to crowd out the wonderful performances by Caan, Duvall and Pacino. It's hard to go back and suggest even minor revisions to improve the film - so the film approaches perfection - for its day, any way.
Now - I was just a kid when The Godfather came out and I was a grown man when Goodfellas was released, so that may color my perception as well. Goodfellas is far more violent - and the violence is a lot more visceral - I don't want to say Scorcese overdoes violence in his films - but he flirts with the line. Whether Coppola was restrained by filmmaking mores at the time (it was post Bonnie and Clyde/Wild Bunch), or Scorcese had just adapted to satisfy his audiences - who knows?
But, in any event, The Godfather (less so in Part II) - watching it felt more like witnessing the events and in Goodfellas - I always felt part of the Robert's Lounge crew. The movie has a lot to recommend it from a pure filmmaking standpoint, the use of music, juxtaposition, the long tracking shot down to the nightclub, the wedding scene, the gangsters' wives club, and the opus near the end (helicopter day). And that's not to mention Liotta's voiceover, Pesci's Oscar scene ("What do you mean I'm funny?"), or the trial scene at the end where Liotta breaks the fourth wall.
And Goodfellas had Deniro, Pesci, Paul Sorvino, in addition to Liotta. For my money Bracco was a stronger female lead than Talia Shire. It's just hard to overcome Brando, Caan, Duvall and Pacino, actor-for-actor - and in the end, perhaps that's why Godfather stays in the lead - and the virtue of being first doesn't hurt - without Godfather, I don't think there is a Goodfellas.
We might be able to say that without all those earlier gangster movies, there would have been no Godfather series, but did any that came before have the gravitas of the film? On the Waterfront? White Heat? The Public Enemy? Scarface (1932)? Little Caesar? Really Bonnie and Clyde is the immediate predecessor in tone and content, and Godfather probably owes more to it than others on this list.
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 8:38 am to Ace Midnight
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Godfather Part III
Should've paid Robert Duvall
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:14 am to Wally Sparks
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Should've paid Robert Duvall
I'm not sure he could have saved it -
Andy Garcia and Joe Montegna were okay, as was the great Eli Wallach, but Sophia Coppola, Bridget Fonda and George Hamiliton were HORRIBLY out of place. The script didn't make a lot of sense, Coppola's direction was uneven, and even with Pacino clearly giving it 100% - couldn't save the thing from itself.
I don't know if Duvall could have ridden in to save the day. Just very unfortunate. I was in my 30s before I watched it the first time - I laughed out loud at how bad it was in spots.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:24 am to Bond... James Bond
Godfather >>>>> Goodfellas >>>>> A Bronx Tale >>>>>> Casino
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:38 am to Ace Midnight
Pacino is fricking awful in GIII
Coppola is terrible but what could you expect from her?
Coppola is terrible but what could you expect from her?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:55 am to LooseCannon22282
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also, Joe Pesci died a such a ruthless death in Casino
Frank Vincent's character is the orchestrator. I heard that was payback for Tommy killing Billy Batts in Goodfellas in a pretty spectacular fashion.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 9:59 am to Goldrush25
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Frank Vincent's character is the orchestrator.
Actually good friends IRL with Pesci, since the mid-70s - Deniro "discovered" the pair of them in The Death Collector (1976) and turned Scorcese onto them.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:27 am to Bond... James Bond
Watch The Godfather first. Then watch Goodfellas. Then watch Casino. You will profit.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:37 am to The Sad Banana
Watched Godfather II at Perkins Rowe recently. You don't get the sense of it's length and enormity by watching it at home. Especially since the theater showing has a real intermission.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:41 am to Bond... James Bond
The Godfather. Even though Casino is worth a watch. I prefer Goodfellas to Casino though.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:47 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Watched Godfather II at Perkins Rowe recently. You don't get the sense of it's length and enormity by watching it at home. Especially since the theater showing has a real intermission.
Damn, I would have loved to have done this. I have been watching these movies since I was little, I absolutely love both. It is a crime that parents don't make their teenagers watch it.
The godfather is the easier rewatch because it is more conventional pace and length but two is the GOAT to me. When I first watched 2 i thought it could be shorter but as I seem them over and over I do not see anything they could cut.
Godfather 1/2
goodfellas
casino
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 10:49 am
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:52 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Especially since the theater showing has a real intermission.
Patton is like that, too. Just a shade under 3 hours of running time - that's why for years only the siding companies and whatnot would sponser local reruns on the weekends - it takes 4 hours with commercial interruptions.
Still one of the greatest movies of all time.
To put it another way for Godfather Parts 1 and 2 - ~6 hours of running time, which is the same as about 3 normal dramatic/action films, or 4 90 minute comedies (alternatively, the same as 2 Peter Jackson films -
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:57 am to Bond... James Bond
1a. Godfather I
1b. Godfather II
--------Huge Gap in both entertainment value and especially cinematic/artistic quality------------
2. Goodfellas
3. Casino
Obviously this is all just my opinion, but it's not exactly fair to compare Goodfellas and Casino to the first two Godfather films. The former two movies are great and entertaining and partially flawed. Godfather I and II might be the two best movies in American history and changed film making forever. It's also hard to find an imperfection in either film.
1b. Godfather II
--------Huge Gap in both entertainment value and especially cinematic/artistic quality------------
2. Goodfellas
3. Casino
Obviously this is all just my opinion, but it's not exactly fair to compare Goodfellas and Casino to the first two Godfather films. The former two movies are great and entertaining and partially flawed. Godfather I and II might be the two best movies in American history and changed film making forever. It's also hard to find an imperfection in either film.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:58 am to Ace Midnight
quote:If I were going to watch the LOTR trilogy in theaters, I would need at least 5 intermissions.
alternatively, the same as 2 Peter Jackson films
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 10:59 am
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:01 am to DelU249
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I didn't say he was
then what does this mean?
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Though Harry Reid is fictionalized and portrayed as a huge scumbag
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:02 am to abellsujr
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If I were going to watch the LOTR trilogy in theaters, I would need at least 5 intermissions.
For the theatrical release, you could probably get by with 5 - roughly every 90 minutes, then the trilogy would end.
But, for the extended (681 minutes/11 AND A HALF HOURS) or the extended blu-ray (726/JESUS CHRISTO - 12 hours and 6 minutes) - you would need 6 and 7 intermissions, respectively, unless you tried to push the intermissions to 120 minutes.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 11:02 am
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