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re: Return of the Jedi question
Posted on 11/4/24 at 11:55 am to Kracka
Posted on 11/4/24 at 11:55 am to Kracka
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What i've learned about the rebel alliance, was it was very small. They didn't have a lot of resources. And for a rescue mission like Solo's, you need to go in small, try to get in and out. The hutts controlled everything. I would imagine it would be very difficult to go in there blowing shite up everywhere without getting the Empires attention.
Tatooiene was very distant and remote causing problems for them to send a large force also.
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Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:58 pm to rebelrouser
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I would imagine it would be very difficult to go in there blowing shite up everywhere without getting the Empires attention.
But that’s exactly what happened anyways. The sail barge flotilla was blown to shite by several notable Rebel Generals.
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Tatooiene was very distant and remote causing problems for them to send a large force also.
Wasn’t the rebel fleet already off Tattoine at the end of ESB in the closing shot when Lando and Chewie take the Falcon down and Luke/Leia look on from the medical frigate? Or was that another planet
Posted on 11/4/24 at 2:34 pm to Frac the world
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Wasn’t the rebel fleet already off Tattoine at the end of ESB in the closing shot when Lando and Chewie take the Falcon down and Luke/Leia look on from the medical frigate? Or was that another planet
They were at a place called Haven, which they used as their rendezvous point after the Battle of Hoth.
According to Wookiepedia, Haven is located at grid M-20 on the map below. On this map Tatooine is located at R-16. Both are circled in red.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 2:50 pm to shaqtaw
Jabba the Hutt was not a warlord, he was a mobster and a criminal. If the Rebels had decided to conduct something like a full-on invasion of Tatooine to try and save Han, he would most likely have simply vanished to some hideout he kept prepared for just such an occasion and waited for them to go away - and if that didn't work he would have just threatened to liquidate Han if they didn't leave him be. Infiltrating his organization was really the only option to get Han out alive.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 2:56 pm to boxcarbarney
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According to Wookiepedia, Haven is located at grid M-20 on the map below. On this map Tatooine is located at R-16. Both are circled in red.
ah, well that explains it all.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 3:18 pm to dallastigers
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Better question about Return of the Jedi and Han - did being frozen in carbonite or Leia unknowingly & maybe later knowingly using the force turn Han into such a beta compared to the first two movies?
No doubt being frozen in carbonite caused an irreversible shrinkage of the male genitalia ala Seinfeld but obviously worse and permanent.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 3:19 pm to Corinthians420
quote:This.
back when it was released people still knew how to just watch and enjoy things without trying to pick them apart.
Especially things that are very basic as hell.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 4:44 pm to Broski
quote:correct
I contend that if Return of the Jedi were made today and not a single thing story-wise would change... this board would rip it a new one.
Hell, the plot for A New Hope is very basic as hell.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 7:05 am to Broski
quote:Force Awakens was basically the same plot as ANH, with a dash of nostalgia thrown in. And TFA ended up being a pretty good part 1 for a trilogy
Hell, the plot for A New Hope is very basic as hell.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 2:17 pm to shaqtaw
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Why did Princess Leia and Luke have to go get solo by themselves. Solo had become a very helpful part of the rebels alliance. Why wouldn’t all the people at the end of the movie fighting the empire go get solo from Jaba the hut in the dessert?
Often the only way to get a hostage out ALIVE is covert and tactical. It made sense.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 4:58 pm to TheTideMustRoll
quote:Yeah, that's actually the best answer. You don't have 100% confirmation Solo is even alive, and if he is and you want him back, you need to go in discreetly.
Jabba the Hutt was not a warlord, he was a mobster and a criminal. If the Rebels had decided to conduct something like a full-on invasion of Tatooine to try and save Han, he would most likely have simply vanished to some hideout he kept prepared for just such an occasion and waited for them to go away - and if that didn't work he would have just threatened to liquidate Han if they didn't leave him be. Infiltrating his organization was really the only option to get Han out alive
The more interesting question is- suppose Jabba was more pragmatic, and decided to give Han back to Luke? What then? At that point, Jabba already had Chewie and Leia too, and Luke had just given him the droids. Does Luke go back on his "Jedi honor" to free the rest? If so, does that push him over to the Dark Side?
Posted on 11/6/24 at 2:30 pm to Scoob
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The more interesting question is- suppose Jabba was more pragmatic, and decided to give Han back to Luke? What then? At that point, Jabba already had Chewie and Leia too, and Luke had just given him the droids. Does Luke go back on his "Jedi honor" to free the rest? If so, does that push him over to the Dark Side?
If that had happened then I could see things playing out a number of different ways, but the most likely would be that Luke/the Rebellion would simply bargain with Jabba (probably through an intermediary) to purchase the freedom of the other prisoners. The difference in Han's case was that Jabba took his "betrayal" personally and so wasn't willing to entertain offers for his release, but with Chewie and Leia and the droids that probably wouldn't be the case. If Jabba for some reason didn't want to deal, well, they still had Lando on the inside if they needed to break them out.
Posted on 11/6/24 at 6:43 pm to NotoriousFSU
Been a while since I laughed this hard at a random comment... Mostly because I imagined the scene
Posted on 11/7/24 at 7:48 am to TideSaint
That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while
Posted on 11/7/24 at 2:23 pm to shaqtaw
I never really pondered the subject, but a simple explanation could be that extracting Han was more akin to a special operations mission, requiring a small specialized team. In the US military, my understanding is that only JSOC units (Delta and 6) get assigned hostage rescue missions. Luke, Leia, Chewy, Han and Lando + the droids were the right team for the job.
If you'd like to explore this topic (Hostage Rescue not Star Wars), read up on Operation Acid Gambit, a hostage rescue mission executed by Delta Force during the Panamanian invasion in '89 to extract a CIA Officer who had been taken prisoner prior to the invasion. JSOC units have conducted multiple hostage rescue missions since 9/11, but Acid Gambit (at the time) was the first real hostage rescue op since at least Vietnam.
If you'd like to explore this topic (Hostage Rescue not Star Wars), read up on Operation Acid Gambit, a hostage rescue mission executed by Delta Force during the Panamanian invasion in '89 to extract a CIA Officer who had been taken prisoner prior to the invasion. JSOC units have conducted multiple hostage rescue missions since 9/11, but Acid Gambit (at the time) was the first real hostage rescue op since at least Vietnam.
Posted on 11/7/24 at 3:17 pm to biglego
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That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while
I've been crying uncontrollably in my office for 10 minutes now.
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