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Rewatching Game of Thrones has confirmed my original thoughts.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 10/14/24 at 8:47 pm
Obviously season 7 and 8 are inferior, although they still have their moments. I’m not here to argue otherwise about their quality.
What I will say is they could have MOSTLY salvaged the ending with a simple move.
They should have had them go and fight Cersei first, then deal with the night king. After they beat the army of the dead everything else just seemed unimportant.
Yes having Dany turn bad was shite, yes everyone having plot armor was shite, yes the way Jaime died finding his sister was shite, yes the last episode and making Bran king the way they did was shite. All of that would still be shite regardless, but I think we could’ve gotten over a lot of it if they’d have had that shite happen first then end the series defeating the night king.
What I will say is they could have MOSTLY salvaged the ending with a simple move.
They should have had them go and fight Cersei first, then deal with the night king. After they beat the army of the dead everything else just seemed unimportant.
Yes having Dany turn bad was shite, yes everyone having plot armor was shite, yes the way Jaime died finding his sister was shite, yes the last episode and making Bran king the way they did was shite. All of that would still be shite regardless, but I think we could’ve gotten over a lot of it if they’d have had that shite happen first then end the series defeating the night king.
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:00 pm to Tiger1242
I admit I did watch and enjoyed the show. Save for S8. After George left them without a true path, it was pointless to try and wrap things up. Everything's been said, but going forward, George has 2 real options.
1. Get a ghost writer to help finish the last 2 books.
2. Admit to his fans he can't do it and stop leading them on to believe he's 'almost' done. If he didn't finish it during the Covid down time, he's got no excuse, and it'll never get done.
Geroge is too stubborn and proud to do either, so sadly, fans have gotten all they ever will from him on this story.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:03 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Unfortunately I think you’re right. Dude wrote a great story but overcomplicated it, then everyone figured out his “big reveal” about Jon’s parents and now he just doesn’t want to finish
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:10 pm to Tiger1242
Would be nice if Jon could face the Night King again and Arya could have taught him that neat knife drop trick but goodness, we can't have anyone stealing HER agency!
FFS.
FFS.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:16 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
I didn’t mind the way the night king died really, I mean someone had to kill him and she has been training to be an assassin literally the whole series 
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:21 pm to Tiger1242
There is that, of course. But Jon had already faced him, so there's the build up and tension of them squaring off again.
I won't deny, it was kinda cool to see. Can't please everyone, I guess.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:22 pm to Tiger1242
Most of the Stark reunions at Winterfell were good. The Arya gets revenge on the Freys was good. The Hound and certain things were good. But the rest were bad and could have been much better
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:29 pm to statman34
Several important people should’ve died fighting the army of the dead. It was really suspect that every important person survived.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:31 pm to statman34
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Most of the Stark reunions at Winterfell were good. The Arya gets revenge on the Freys was good. The Hound and certain things were good. But the rest were bad and could have been much better
The thing is I think there were a lot of great singular moments in the final seasons. The ones you mentioned of course plus the Lannister army vs Drogon/Dothraki, watching the Dothraki’s blades being snuffed out 1 by 1 when they charge into the dead (an awful battle tactic no doubt, but it was a cool “oh shite” moment), Jaime and Olenna’s dialogue. Even Jon’s King in the North scene was awesome to watch and even though it happened at the end of season 6 I think, it amounted to nothing as he renounced it almost immediately.
The problem with many of these cool moments is that they didn’t really lead to anything and/or the story was too rushed because D&D couldn’t get out of there fast enough. So a lot of it felt like what’s the point? Did it really matter?
This post was edited on 10/16/24 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:41 pm to Tiger1242
Theres an obvious and crowd pleasing ending that even despite all the other terrible shite would have made the finale tolerable.
Gendry and Arya should have gotten together and become the new king and queen.
In the very first episode King Robert tells Ned he wants to join their houses in marriage to rule as it should have been when he was engaged to Neds sister.
Having his true born son and Arya complete this journey would have been a logical and fan pleasing ending. It also would have given Gendry some actual purpose, as a tob of time was spent on the importance of his existence just to go absolutely no where.
There's obviously a thousand other things to "fix" in the final season but that would have been a good substitute for the Bran idiocy.
Gendry and Arya should have gotten together and become the new king and queen.
In the very first episode King Robert tells Ned he wants to join their houses in marriage to rule as it should have been when he was engaged to Neds sister.
Having his true born son and Arya complete this journey would have been a logical and fan pleasing ending. It also would have given Gendry some actual purpose, as a tob of time was spent on the importance of his existence just to go absolutely no where.
There's obviously a thousand other things to "fix" in the final season but that would have been a good substitute for the Bran idiocy.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:52 pm to StansberryRules
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Gendry and Arya should have gotten together and become the new king and queen.
Now that is an off the wall suggestion. I might’ve hated that more than what they did tbh
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:52 pm to Tiger1242
The fix would be to extend it to season 10 and no short seasons.
Season 7 ending with Dany and her military wrecking the Lanister army and surrounding the city. Meanwhile the NK takes down the wall
Season 8 news about the wall and Jon proving the threat of the dead is very real forces Dany to pull back. Most of season 8 is the long night with Jon gives his life killing the Night King to end season 8
Season 9 is the rest of Dany’s forces, the North, and the Wildlings vs a refreshed Lanister army and Golden Company. Dany wins the war and have Cersi hiding in the red keep where she uses the hidden Wild Fire that completely destroys KL.
Season 10 is rebuilding with what there is left. Dany still wants to be Queen but with no Kings Landing it becomes difficult. Tyrion and Bran suggest a sort of Constitutional Monarchy with the capital likely being Highgarden. Sansa takes over as ruler of the Winterfell with Arya and Briene guarding her. Gendry takes Storms End.
Season 7 ending with Dany and her military wrecking the Lanister army and surrounding the city. Meanwhile the NK takes down the wall
Season 8 news about the wall and Jon proving the threat of the dead is very real forces Dany to pull back. Most of season 8 is the long night with Jon gives his life killing the Night King to end season 8
Season 9 is the rest of Dany’s forces, the North, and the Wildlings vs a refreshed Lanister army and Golden Company. Dany wins the war and have Cersi hiding in the red keep where she uses the hidden Wild Fire that completely destroys KL.
Season 10 is rebuilding with what there is left. Dany still wants to be Queen but with no Kings Landing it becomes difficult. Tyrion and Bran suggest a sort of Constitutional Monarchy with the capital likely being Highgarden. Sansa takes over as ruler of the Winterfell with Arya and Briene guarding her. Gendry takes Storms End.
This post was edited on 10/14/24 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 10/14/24 at 9:59 pm to Tiger1242
You would have had to also remove the Arya night king shite if they went that way. It's not perfect, but it's obviously better than the Bran thing. It's hard to fix any one issue in a vacuum when there are like 25 major things wrong simultaneously
Posted on 10/14/24 at 11:37 pm to Tiger1242
quote:Definitely. I really wanted to see zombies marching through the crannog and storming KL, with most characters dying. That's supposed to be the battle of all battles to preserve humanity, not killing Cersei or the fight for the throne.
They should have had them go and fight Cersei first, then deal with the night king. After they beat the army of the dead everything else just seemed unimportant.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 5:05 am to Tiger1242
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having Dany turn bad was shite,
This take I don't get. In the books, she was nuts and tyrannical... just in a benevolent way when it suited her. When challenged, she had a clear tendency to go scorched earth and the weapons to do so. Like everything with that show, it was too rushed and compressed to the point of being absurd, but that's pretty much the path I expected her to go down to one degree or another.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 7:34 am to theGarnetWay
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The thing is I think there were a lot of great singular moments in the final seasons.
This is 100% true. Some legit awesome and great things happen in the last couple of seasons. The problem is that they missed on some major ones and that's what people remember, especially Bran as king. That's literally the ending point of the series, so that's what leaves the sour taste in everyone's mouth.
Had they just taken five minutes and changed a couple of things it would have gone down as maybe the greatest series ever (certainly on the Mount Rushmore). But they swung and missed and here we are.
IMO it's still an awesome show though. I've caught it in reruns here and there and still enjoy a good bit of those last seasons.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:41 am to CocomoLSU
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Had they just taken five minutes and changed a couple of things it would have gone down as maybe the greatest series ever (certainly on the Mount Rushmore). But they swung and missed and here we are.
It’s crazy to think what a cultural phenomenon it was and now I really don’t have any interest in investing in a rewatch because of so many lackluster payoffs.
This post was edited on 10/16/24 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:04 am to dawgfan24348
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Season 10 is rebuilding with what there is left. Dany still wants to be Queen but with no Kings Landing it becomes difficult. Tyrion and Bran suggest a sort of Constitutional Monarchy with the capital likely being Highgarden. Sansa takes over as ruler of the Winterfell with Arya and Briene guarding her. Gendry takes Storms End.
With all due respect, and remember I'm sayin' with all due respect, this sounds worse than what we got in S8.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:21 am to kballa6
Could just be me but in my rewatch I realized S7 was much better than originally thought.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:32 am to Tiger1242
Jaimie should have killed the Night King. "Kingslayer" name was the biggest thing that bothered him. You gave him the incredible bounce back arc then took it all away.
Night Kingslayer and redemption.. That's how you bring a character arc home. This wasn't that fricking hard.
Night Kingslayer and redemption.. That's how you bring a character arc home. This wasn't that fricking hard.
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