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re: Star Trek vs Star Wars
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:38 am to Hogules68
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:38 am to Hogules68
Star Trek. Way more sophisticated and well-rounded storytelling.
But a lot of my argument rests on how many bad Star Wars movies have been released. Star Trek has had a few duds but they never turned Picard into a drunken buffoon to deconstruct the patriarchy.
But a lot of my argument rests on how many bad Star Wars movies have been released. Star Trek has had a few duds but they never turned Picard into a drunken buffoon to deconstruct the patriarchy.
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Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:57 am to Hogules68
Star Trek for me.
A harder question would be:
ST2: Wrath of Khan vs SW5: Empire strikes back
A harder question would be:
ST2: Wrath of Khan vs SW5: Empire strikes back
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:29 am to DMagic
As others have said, Star Trek is conceivably our future, but Star Wars is way more fun to play with the toys.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:31 am to Hogules68
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Which universe is better in terms movies shows charichter development etc
Movies- Going with Star Wars here. No Star Trek movies are better than the SW OT
Shows- Star Trek, as of now. Same reason as above.
Character development- Star Trek, because of the series.
People nowadays tend to forget- television series used to be 20+ episodes a season.
Star Trek had 29 episodes season 1, 26 season 2, 24 season 3. Those were 1 hr shows (maybe 45 minutes, without ads), which gave you tremendous amount of time to develop characters. Even the one-off episodes that didn't stay in larger storylines, those served to expand on a character's depth.
We learned all sorts of things about ST characters; Kirk and Spock play 3D chess. Scotty loves his scotch. Uhura likes to sing. McCoy is from Mississippi, dislikes spaceflight, and hates transporters. Sulu likes swords and can fence. Kirk is a horndog. Nurse Chapel has the hots for Spock.
You got little of that in the Star Wars movies, other than what specifically was presented. Han and
Chewy were in the cantina, but you don't know if that's for drinking, or just to drum up business... Han might be dry for all we know.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:16 pm to Scoob
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Movies- Going with Star Wars here. No Star Trek movies are better than the SW OT
ST2: Wrath of Khan is better than at least 1/3 and maybe 2/3.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:46 pm to Fewer Kilometers
I never understood the appeal of these TV shows and movies that have the characters inside a spaceship the entire time. I just find it incredibly boring to watch. At least Star Wars has important scenes and plot points in different locations like Tatooine, Hoth, and Endor to keep it interesting.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:58 pm to Bench McElroy
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I never understood the appeal of these TV shows and movies that have the characters inside a spaceship the entire time. I just find it incredibly boring to watch. At least Star Wars has important scenes and plot points in different locations like Tatooine, Hoth, and Endor to keep it interesting.
Star Trek had episodes where they went to different planets. Some of the best ones involved that.
On the flip side, we all chuckle at the Star Wars tendency of single environment planets. Tatooine is a desert, Hoth is an ice planet, Endor is forested, and so on.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 2:30 pm to Hogules68
This thread is a perfect for me to learn who is awesome and who likes Star Trek.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 3:54 pm to Hogules68
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Which universe
Star Wars. It's a totally different galaxy and the fantastical other-worldliness of every city/planet/ship/creature/costume/weapon, in every movie (& even tv series), is delicious eye-candy. I just prefer Star Wars' sci-fantasy. Star Trek is futuristic sci-fi, too familiar, & relatively uncreative.
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in terms movies
Star Wars. Self-contained stories/trilogies not reliant on tv shows to fill in the gaps. Star Trek Next Generation used the movies like say South Park does as a 2-hour "special". You'd be lost if you never watched STNG tv series and walked into the theater blind. In theory, you can skip Star Wars' tv shows and still get the story & characters. The closest Star Trek came to that format was the JJ Abrams/Chris Pine reboots.
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charichter development etc
Star Trek. Far more mature and thought-provoking with nuanced philosophical & social commentary. It wasn't just a simplistic hero's journey/fairy-tale adventures of Good vs Evil.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 4:03 pm to StringedInstruments
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Star Trek has had a few duds but they never turned Picard into a drunken buffoon to deconstruct the patriarchy.
True. They turned him into a winemaking android instead.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 5:12 pm to Hogules68
starwars has better universe with all of its extended stuff
star trek has the better stand alone items like OG star trek and Next Gen
star trek has the better stand alone items like OG star trek and Next Gen
Posted on 12/22/23 at 5:15 pm to Hogules68
Stark Trek by a light year.
Without Star Trek, there is no Star Wars.
Without Star Trek, there is no Star Wars.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 7:53 am to Hogules68
I want them to do a mashup of both Universes.
I know one is in the future and one is in a galaxy far, far away. But it would not be the first time the Enterprise time traveled.
It would be pretty cool to see the Enterprise go back in time and wreck shite on the Empire/First Order or what have you.
I know one is in the future and one is in a galaxy far, far away. But it would not be the first time the Enterprise time traveled.
It would be pretty cool to see the Enterprise go back in time and wreck shite on the Empire/First Order or what have you.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:40 am to oogabooga68
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Stark Trek by a light year.
Without Star Trek, there is no Star Wars.
From this old person's perspective, Star Wars is a bastard franchise. And (again, a personal rant) the fandom has always seemed to me to be a secondary, less authentic version of the Star Trek Treckies/Treckers.
Trek fans grew up watching it on NBC, then had to watch the syndicated replays at the whim of the distributor and the local affiliates. Our hope was that they would play every episode, possibly in order, before restarting the sequence. There were no VHS or DVD sets, no VCR to record. People made audio recordings, placing a cassette or reel to reel recorder close enough to catch an episode. Within five years of Star Wars' release, you could buy it for home video. You could own Star Wars before the first trilogy was complete.
Comic and Sci Fi cons were already a thing, but the Star Trek conventions are what brought cons to the public eye. Cosplay was a small subset of a subset of a subculture until Star Trek made it a more popular thing. I shook my head in disbelief when people showed up to Return of the Jedi in costume. It just seemed like a lame attempt to mirror Star Trek fandom.
I get that Star Wars is now the denser franchise, and you now have to put in some effort to absorb every book, cartoon, series to keep up with the nuances, but it's still a secondary fandom to me.
Rant [OFF]
Posted on 1/3/24 at 12:35 pm to Hogules68
Trek is better now because they update everything for the modern times: wardrobes, ships, equipment etc. Star Wars still stuff that looked cool in the 70’s but is outdated now. The HUGE helmets, guys firing lasers but have bullets strapped to their chest, the 70’s version of the drone only on wheels etc
Posted on 1/3/24 at 12:54 pm to Hogules68
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Which universe is better in terms movies shows charichter development etc
OT Star Wars and EU
Star Trek thru Enterprise
Star Trek Picard Season 3
Star Wars Prequels
JJ’s Star Trek Trilogy
Everything else can get in the fricking bin
Posted on 1/3/24 at 1:09 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Trek fans grew up watching it on NBC, then had to watch the syndicated replays at the whim of the distributor and the local affiliates.
Yup.
For me, it was shown at 10:30PM nightly on our local ABC affiliate which meant I never went to bed before 11:30 on school nights.
Next to KISS, and Comic books, it was probably the most influential Media in my 10 -12 year old life.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 2:27 pm to Hogules68
Posted on 1/3/24 at 8:14 pm to Hogules68
Star Wars….& it’s not close
Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:18 am to Hogules68
Star Trek's development of characters is more readily available because the only canon entries are TV and movies (though some comics for movie tie-ins might have counted, not sure).
Star Wars, OTOH, had a lot more material but you had to get the comics, the books, the games - for the longest time, it was all canon.
So yes, Luke Skywalker had a lot more development than, say, Captain Kirk - but ONLY if you read the books and whatnot. Easily accessible media had Kirk with a lot more development than Luke.
Star Wars, OTOH, had a lot more material but you had to get the comics, the books, the games - for the longest time, it was all canon.
So yes, Luke Skywalker had a lot more development than, say, Captain Kirk - but ONLY if you read the books and whatnot. Easily accessible media had Kirk with a lot more development than Luke.
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