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Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:44 pm to BulldogXero
Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:44 pm to BulldogXero
Makes sense. I always assumed that Obi Wan was somewhere in the 60-65 range in ANH and Qui Gon was around 45-50 in TPM. That would put a general 15 or so years between Master and Padawon throughout.
Though, you also have to understand that Lucas had a change of opinion on how Lightsabers were to operate, really after Empire, so it isn't necessarily an apples to apples comparison.
Though, you also have to understand that Lucas had a change of opinion on how Lightsabers were to operate, really after Empire, so it isn't necessarily an apples to apples comparison.
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Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:46 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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That fight makes no logical sense. Obi-wan gets thrown like a rag doll, but Anakin somehow doesn't get force choked or thrown? I'm guessing this was one of those inconsistencies that was explained away by fan boys as "all part of sidious' plan"
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it was. Incapacitating Obi Wan allowed him to persuade Anakin to kill Dooku. Killing Obi Wan would've just been a bonus.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:46 pm to Napoleon
I'm bummed that the Rebels are called "The Resistance" who are they resisting? Didn't they win?
Is the First Order now in charge? I thought the first order were going to be like a bad guy rebellion against the established republic. Man I need this movie to hurry up and come out.
Is the First Order now in charge? I thought the first order were going to be like a bad guy rebellion against the established republic. Man I need this movie to hurry up and come out.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 10:48 pm to BulldogXero
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never made sense how Obi Wan could've lost that much skill in the 18 or so years he was on Tatooine.
Eh, I mean 18 years of isolation and not really using any of them because of fear of them being sensed, compared to training and constantly using your skills? That really isn't that far of a stretch to believe.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 12:59 am to LSUlefty
I think she's one of Han/Leia's twins (the other being Kylo Ren). Leia lost her twins after she was captured (by what was left of the Empire, after Palpatine died). I think Leia had her young babies w/ her when she was captured and brought onto a Star Destroyer. The Rebels attack this Star Destroyer, Leia thinks her kids are dead, but they're actually being raised (First Order got Kylo, and Rey ended up being raised by somebody on Jackku.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 5:25 am to DelU249
The trailers show she doesnt have/use the force like a Jedi have it.
She's more like a Leia force.
She's more like a Leia force.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 8:00 am to elprez00
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I'll agree that the Midichlorians bullshite cheapened everything. It makes sense that there are more powerful Jedi than others.
sounds like you're bitching to bitch. You say it cheapened it, then say it makes sense.
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For example, Yoda was a greater Jedi than Anakin because he had patience and practiced
While I agree he was, Anakin had the potential to be a greater jedi than anyone, he just never reached it. And Yoda had the opportunity to defeat Dooku and didn't, yet Anakin was able to defeat him.
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Luke asked Yoda if the dark side was stronger, Yoda said no, but easier. Therefore Yoda was more powerful because he was more proficient. And while Vader was a very powerful Sith, he would never be as powerful as Yoda.
The emperor was more powerful than Yoda. Anakin could have been as well had he not gotten his legs and arms chopped off.
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I don't like the idea that Anakin was a powerful Jedi simply because he had more Midichlorians than anyone else.
He was powerful simply b/c he had more midichlorians than anyone else.That doesn't mean he was more powerful than everyone else.It's like the guy that's 6'2" and can jump out the gym and do any kind of dunk you can think of, yet still isn't that good at the game of basketball. But there's potential. This is true in all walks of life. Andrew Luck has all the skills needed to be the best QB ever. Tom Brady has zero skills to be the best QB ever. Who's the better QB? It does you no good to have the great arm and legs and pocket awareness if you don't know how to use them proficiently like Brady and Manning.
As Obi-Wan told Anakin, he could do things that Obi-Wan could only dream of doing, but that doesn't mean he's automatically the better jedi, and it showed very clearly when they fought.
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Its directly in conflict with what Yoda taught Luke.
It doesn't. It further illustrates what Yoda taught. The midichlorians were brought up to just show that some people have more potential than others, but as we know in life, just b/c you have the potential, doesn't mean you will ever reach the zenith of it.
Tim Duncan would never be considered to have a high midichlorian count, as opposed to say Blake Griffin, if that was a thing for basketball skill, but he will go down as one of the best big men in the history of the game, and he can barely get 6 inches off the ground when he jumps. He is the Yoda of the NBA.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 8:03 am to Mystery
I'm thinking now there is a third side to the battle. I think Leia runs a resistance to whoever is in charge and the First Order is another resistance and neither is in charge of the core systems.
I think that maybe Luke did try and train Jedi and something happens, maybe his son or nephew tries too hard to follow in Gramp's footprints, who knows.
I am thinking Rey may be a Skywalker though/
I think that maybe Luke did try and train Jedi and something happens, maybe his son or nephew tries too hard to follow in Gramp's footprints, who knows.
I am thinking Rey may be a Skywalker though/
Posted on 10/23/15 at 8:21 am to Methuselah
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Didn't Vader force choke a guy through a computer/video hookup once?
Though I may be mis-remembering.
"Captain Piett, make sure you do not alert the Rebels to our position.... Admiral Piett" (after force choking Piett's superior)
Posted on 10/23/15 at 9:37 am to Napoleon
quote:I said this in the crackpot theory thread, but if Rey is Luke or Leia's (or even Han's) kid why would she think that the stories about Jedi and Sith are legends? From the trailer it sounds like she is saying they heard all of these stories growing up, almost as mythology and Han then says "It's true...all of it." If she were a Skywalker/Solo, why wouldn't she have been told stories about Uncle Luke and how Granddaddy Anakin redeemed himself in the end as more than just myths?
I am thinking Rey may be a Skywalker though
When I first saw TPM, I was really disappointed in the midichlorian idea, but now I have come to somewhat reconcile it as being ok (still don't like it but I can accept it).
As Obi Wan says in ANH, "The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together." Yoda reinforces this in Empire when he says, "Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us."
I look at the midichlorians as almost like a mutation in genetics. There are people in real life who have mutations that give them an extra cone in their retina and are able to see more colors than a normal person. In the SW universe, the midichlorian count is a "mutation" that allows certain people to be force sensitive. The higher the count, the easier it is for them to tap into the Force.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 9:38 am to TeddyPadillac
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You say it cheapened it, then say it makes sense.
No what I said was some Jedi are more talented than others and that has nothing to do with midichlorians. Some athletes are more talented than others too.
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Anakin had the potential to be a greater jedi than anyone, he just never reached it.
Because he chose the Dark Side, which gave him access to great power, but never as much as Yoda was capable of.
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The emperor was more powerful than Yoda
Agree to disagree. Yoda was stronger in the Force.
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Tom Brady has zero skills to be the best QB ever. Who's the better QB? It does you no good to have the great arm and legs and pocket awareness if you don't know how to use them proficiently like Brady and Manning.
This goes back to my original point. The entire midichlorian explanation is completely unnecessary. There are those that have talent and no drive, those that have drive and no talent, and those that have both.
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As Obi-Wan told Anakin, he could do things that Obi-Wan could only dream of doing, but that doesn't mean he's automatically the better jedi, and it showed very clearly when they fought.
But you're missing the point. Anakin was capable of becoming the greatest Jedi that ever existed, but Anakin wanted power rather than discipline that is necessary for mastery of the force. Its Barry Bonds taking roids. Barry was a physically gifted player before he started juicing, but instead of working at his craft, he took the easy way out for instant gratification.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 9:44 am to PJinAtl
I can get down with the Midichlorians. My biggest gripe so far is the toy I ordered my Nephew said "Resistance X-wing fighter". If they are the resistance then who won?
There are so many subplots I do not get. I expected to See Leia in the senate in Coruscant and Luke with a new Jedi academy. Who knows now.
There are going to be a lot of twists. I want to discuss it, but I am so afraid to be spoiled at the same time.
There are so many subplots I do not get. I expected to See Leia in the senate in Coruscant and Luke with a new Jedi academy. Who knows now.
There are going to be a lot of twists. I want to discuss it, but I am so afraid to be spoiled at the same time.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 9:59 am to elprez00
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Because he chose the Dark Side, which gave him access to great power, but never as much as Yoda was capable of.
I disagree that this was because of a light vs dark thing. This has more to do with understanding of the force, not which side you are on. Was Yoda going to tell Luke the Dark Side is stronger? Of course not
Palpatine was stronger than Yoda, and on the Dark side. Plus, we are also comparing someone who has been training for what, 15 years or so compared to a couple hundred? Of course at that point Yoda would have a better understanding of how to use the force. Though, we also don't really know who the stronger was since they never fought. The both fought Dooku. Anakin was the only one to defeat him. Can we really take much from that? Not really.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 10:07 am to Napoleon
I'll break it down:
The new republic is the official group that Leia heads up and was cobbled together after the battle of endor.
The first order is a group made up of a certain remnant of the Empire and they have continued to fight and take control of some territories...the Senate of the new republic has decided to truce it up with the first order because they just don't want to fight wars anymore...but Leia knows that the first order is actively attacking outer rim territories and trying to gain control against the truce...thus she has secretly started an "off books" group called the resistance that fights the first order wherever they may show up
The new republic is the official group that Leia heads up and was cobbled together after the battle of endor.
The first order is a group made up of a certain remnant of the Empire and they have continued to fight and take control of some territories...the Senate of the new republic has decided to truce it up with the first order because they just don't want to fight wars anymore...but Leia knows that the first order is actively attacking outer rim territories and trying to gain control against the truce...thus she has secretly started an "off books" group called the resistance that fights the first order wherever they may show up
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Posted on 10/23/15 at 10:30 am to elprez00
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Because he chose the Dark Side, which gave him access to great power, but never as much as Yoda was capable of.
That makes no sense. Why do you think you can be more powerful on the light side as opposed to the dark side? The emperor is clearly the most powerful person, and Yoda knew it.
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Agree to disagree. Yoda was stronger in the Force.
No he wasn't. We saw Yoda fight two sith's, he defeated neither. He was more than aware that he wasn't powerful enough to defeat Sidious.
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The entire midichlorian explanation is completely unnecessary. There are those that have talent and no drive, those that have drive and no talent, and those that have both.
It is. Midichlorian=talent. It was a way of explaining who has the most potential talent, and also a way of explaining how Anakin Skywalker came to be.
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Anakin wanted power rather than discipline that is necessary for mastery of the force
The emperor had discipline and mastery of the force. You underestimate the power of the dark side.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 1:51 pm to TeddyPadillac
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As Obi-Wan told Anakin, he could do things that Obi-Wan could only dream of doing, but that doesn't mean he's automatically the better jedi, and it showed very clearly when they fought.
Though we never saw what those could be
Posted on 10/23/15 at 2:11 pm to south bama tiger
Now that, is a legitimate complaint (unless you watched the Clone Wars animated series). Then we did get to see some of them.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 2:26 pm to south bama tiger
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Though we never saw what those could be
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ANAKIN: (to Obi-Wan) Are you coming, Master?
OBI-WAN: Oh no. I'm not brave enough for politics. I have to report to the Council. Besides, someone needs to be the poster boy.
ANAKIN: Hold on, this whole operation was your idea. You planned it. You led the rescue operation. You have to be the one to take the bows this time.
OBI-WAN: Sorry, old friend. Let us not forget that you rescued me from the Buzz Droids. And you killed Count Dooku. And you rescued the Chancellor, carrying me unconscious on your back, and you managed to land that bucket of bolts safely . . .
ANAKIN: All because of your training, Master. You deserve all those speeches of your greatness.
OBI-WAN: . . . the endless speeches . . . Anakin, let's be fair. Today, you are the hero and you deserve your glorious day with the politicians.
ANAKIN: All right. But you owe me . . . and not for saving your skin for the tenth time . . .
OBI-WAN: Ninth time . . . that business on Cato Nemoidia doesn't count. I'll see you at the briefing.
It's quite clear which of the two has more power. Anakin's flying skills are b/c he's so strong in the force. He was the best pilot in the galaxy as a kid.
Both the openings of Revenge of the Sith and Attack of the Clones shows Anakin saving the day while Obi-Wan complains like a bitch that Anakin is going to get them killed, all while Anakin stays calm and gets them out of trouble with ease.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 2:28 pm to TeddyPadillac
Yep, though that is a legit instance where more could have been shown and not told (again assuming you didn't watch the animated series)
Posted on 10/23/15 at 3:06 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Yep, though that is a legit instance where more could have been shown and not told (again assuming you didn't watch the animated series)
I did not. But i agree with you that more could have been shown, as opposed to just assumed. His flying skills were really the only thing that he showed to be exceptional compared to everyone else.
Hell how often does someone with his power go out and fly a ship in attacks, even in movies, like he did in A New Hope? That's like the Vice President of the U.S. taking off after Pearl Harbor. His skills as a pilot were way above everyone else and it wasn't even close.
Yes, i know, Independence day.
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