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Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:32 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:32 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Beat me to it Sasquatch
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:33 pm to UncleBlazer
I got you by a minute! Ha.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 2:59 pm to TigerFanatic99
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Not crazy about that new TV spot. Finn has a line in it, "Hell no". Have we ever had a reason to believe that a long time ago in a galaxy far far away they were aware of a place known as Hell.
Off the top of my head..
"Then I'll see you in hell." - Han Solo
"What the hell are you doing?!" - Han Solo
"He better have those droids out there by midday or there will be hell to pay." - Uncle Owen
Posted on 12/8/15 at 3:00 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Very good catch. I'm surprised I forgot about that because of how impactful he yells it back at the guy. My wife and I watched that just Sunday night and I remember laughing about it now.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 3:05 pm to TigerFanatic99
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Not crazy about that new TV spot. Finn has a line in it, "Hell no". Have we ever had a reason to believe that a long time ago in a galaxy far far away they were aware of a place known as Hell.
It does have a different tone. I wasn't a fan either
Posted on 12/8/15 at 5:53 pm to DelU249
quote:Vader was a Sith lord, Kenobi called him that. So did Leia.
the images alone are so directly associated with the prequels...we're all trying to forget about them, this movie is our relief...so some people have a problem with it...
I also don't want to hear the word "sith"
Interesting side note- when Vader was force-choking that disrespectful general on the Death Star, he was referencing Vader's "sad devotion" to his religion. And Tarkin also seemed to know Vader's past, as seen when they discussed Vader sensing Kenobi. So at least in the higher levels, the Empire "knew" Vader was actually a former Jedi, and not just a random Sith (slight distinction there)
Posted on 12/8/15 at 6:24 pm to Scoob
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Vader was a Sith lord, Kenobi called him that. So did Leia.
Sith was never referenced to in the original series. I remember being confused the first few times I watched the Phantom Menace, thinking they were referring to Maul's species as a Sith, and not the organization Maul and Sidious were a part of.
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Interesting side note- when Vader was force-choking that disrespectful general on the Death Star, he was referencing Vader's "sad devotion" to his religion. And Tarkin also seemed to know Vader's past, as seen when they discussed Vader sensing Kenobi. So at least in the higher levels, the Empire "knew" Vader was actually a former Jedi, and not just a random Sith (slight distinction there)
I don't think many people knew the Emperor was a Force conscious individual. I think most people know that Vader is a rouge Jedi, but that's it.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 12/8/15 at 8:26 pm to OMLandshark
Of the few things carried over from the prequels, I wouldn't mind the "sith" association being one of them. Forget the midichlorians and all the other stupid shite, it can be more like what the OT did and have it be more like a religion and myth. But I do like the Sith, even though I don't think Kylo Ren will be one.
I think Snoke will be but that's about it. But even he might be a dark Jedi
I think Snoke will be but that's about it. But even he might be a dark Jedi
Posted on 12/8/15 at 9:13 pm to WicKed WayZ
Yeah, I have no problem with Sith as a terminology comes back into play (although I don't want the Sith to make an appearance), but just leave stuff like Midiclorians behind.
Posted on 12/8/15 at 9:27 pm to OMLandshark
Thinking about what references will be brought up from the other movies, I'm really curious to hear Han's explanation of prior events. Supposedly Rey asks "Who is Luke Skywalker?" Do they mention his humble beginnings and rise to greatness? Is there a painful story from a time after ROTJ that explains Luke's absence?
I already like the bite from the trailer with Han answering Rey's question about the stories, and he simply states "It's true. All of it."
I already like the bite from the trailer with Han answering Rey's question about the stories, and he simply states "It's true. All of it."
Posted on 12/8/15 at 10:38 pm to OMLandshark
Actually, I remember as a kid in the mid-90's I had folders with Darth Vader and the Emperor on them, and beneath the images of Vader and the Emperor was the title "Dark Lord of the Sith." So the terminology was around before The Phantom Menace. According to Wikipedia, the word Sith first appeared in the novelization of Star Wars.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 7:23 am to TNVolinSpain
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Actually, I remember as a kid in the mid-90's I had folders with Darth Vader and the Emperor on them, and beneath the images of Vader and the Emperor was the title "Dark Lord of the Sith." So the terminology was around before The Phantom Menace. According to Wikipedia, the word Sith first appeared in the novelization of Star Wars.
Yes, the term was around in the 80s, just never was spoken in the movies. The novelizations of the movies all used the term, as did the "books on tape" read along things they had for kids.
Also, to the comment above about not many people knowing the Emperor was Force conscious. That was obvious from his first appearance in ESB. When he contacts Vader via hologram, the exchange begins:
Vader - "What is thy bidding, my master?"
Emperor - "There is a great disturbance in the Force."
Vader - "I have felt it."
In ROTJ, after the Rebel forces have landed on Endor, Vader approaches the Emperor about going to find Luke. That exchange includes:
Vader - "A small rebel force has penetrated the shield and landed on Endor."
Emperor - "Yes, I know."
Vader - "My son is with them."
Emperor - "Are you sure?"
Vader - "I have felt him, my master."
Emperor - "Strange that I have not. I wonder if your feelings on this matter are clear, Lord Vader."
Posted on 12/9/15 at 7:50 am to PJinAtl
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Also, to the comment above about not many people knowing the Emperor was Force conscious. That was obvious from his first appearance in ESB. When he contacts Vader via hologram, the exchange begins:
Vader - "What is thy bidding, my master?"
Emperor - "There is a great disturbance in the Force."
Vader - "I have felt it."
In ROTJ, after the Rebel forces have landed on Endor, Vader approaches the Emperor about going to find Luke. That exchange includes:
Vader - "A small rebel force has penetrated the shield and landed on Endor."
Emperor - "Yes, I know."
Vader - "My son is with them."
Emperor - "Are you sure?"
Vader - "I have felt him, my master."
Emperor - "Strange that I have not. I wonder if your feelings on this matter are clear, Lord Vader."
I think he means the characters in the story. Tarkin and the imperial generals.
If you want to use ROTS(ugh), the emperor never let the public know he was a force user. So it makes sense that no one knew other the Vader, Obi Wan, and Yoda.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 8:52 am to PJinAtl
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Yes, the term was around in the 80s, just never was spoken in the movies
It's in one of the drafts from 1976 for the original film.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 8:57 am to PJinAtl
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Also, to the comment above about not many people knowing the Emperor was Force conscious. That was obvious from his first appearance in ESB. When he contacts Vader via hologram, the exchange begins:
Vader - "What is thy bidding, my master?"
Emperor - "There is a great disturbance in the Force."
Vader - "I have felt it."
Yeah, but they are speaking in private. It was well known Vader was a former Jedi who betrayed the Order, but since there were tens of thousands of Jedi, I don't think anyone thought anything of it. They just thought Vader was power hungry and wished to be the Emperor's personal enforcer.
I just don't think most of the Galaxy was aware that the Emperor himself was Force Conscious. I think Tarkin knew as well as other close confidants, and many suspected, but nothing was confirmed.
This post was edited on 12/9/15 at 8:59 am
Posted on 12/9/15 at 10:56 am to OMLandshark
I know the original novelization said the word "Sith". It's been a long time since I saw the original movie (not talking about even Empire etc), but I want to say Leia, Old Ben, and/or Tarkin used the term. It wasn't fleshed out, Vader was "a dark lord of the Sith", which sounded cool and menacing.
Along those same lines, it was generally assumed Darth was his name, and not a title.
From all accounts, the Emperor was just a figurehead in the first movie. The Imperial Military ran the show, and Vader was basically the only Dark Side force user, he was sort of a Gestapo with powers, or an evil wizard (with Ben being the good wizard, and Luke his apprentice). Heck, they even referred to Ben as "that crazy old wizard".
Along those same lines, it was generally assumed Darth was his name, and not a title.
From all accounts, the Emperor was just a figurehead in the first movie. The Imperial Military ran the show, and Vader was basically the only Dark Side force user, he was sort of a Gestapo with powers, or an evil wizard (with Ben being the good wizard, and Luke his apprentice). Heck, they even referred to Ben as "that crazy old wizard".
Posted on 12/9/15 at 11:13 am to WicKed WayZ
Tarkin knew that Vader was Anakin Skywalker. He also knew that the Emperor was also some kind of dark Jedi. He figured all this out on his own and it was never spoken about.
Pick up the book Tarkin. It is part of the new canon. Also read Lords of the Sith. It is really good if you want read about Vader and the Emperor kicking arse and taking names.
Pick up the book Tarkin. It is part of the new canon. Also read Lords of the Sith. It is really good if you want read about Vader and the Emperor kicking arse and taking names.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 11:39 am to Ham Solo
Posted on 12/9/15 at 11:40 am to RLDSC FAN
That blue robot looks like something from the fifth element.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 12:01 pm to Scoob
I know this next point has been beaten to death, but none of the big storyline was in play when they made the first movie. They just started making shite up, hand over fist, in order to milk the property for all it was worth.
1) the Emperor was a powerless figurehead, the Empire was a military dictatorship. The prominence of Tarkin over Vader (he orders Vader around); the way Leia tells Tarkin "your" plan will not work. She doesn't care less about the Emperor, other than as some dolt granting the Generals more direct power.
2) the casual reference to the 'Clone Wars'; definitely seems to imply they fought AGAINST the clones. It's pretty rare that a winning side refers to a conflict with one of their own forces. Looking at the series now, shouldn't it have been "the Droid Wars", or "the Trade Federation revolt"?
3) No Jedi robes. Kenobi is dressed similar to Luke, Owen, and basically everyone on the desert planet, for practical purposes.
4) Luke and Leia weren't siblings. Luke has the hots for the princess; Solo plays with him to make him jealous. it's pretty damn creepy once the story plays out.
5) Old Ben was the last Jedi, there weren't any others (especially Yoda). And again, the Emperor wasn't a Force user. The showdown between Vader and Ben played that up, and the emergence of Luke underscored that (Vader wasn't prepared for Ben having an apprentice).
How so? If you look at the big story now, the Emperor was clearly aware that Yoda survived and escaped too. He and Vader would certainly consider HIM to be a far more important target than Kenobi, and probably the actual Rebellion for that matter. The Death Star would have been searching for him, not the Rebel base.
6) Vader wasn't anyone's daddy or related in any way. None of what happens in the first movie makes sense with that story; he personally tortures and interrogates Leia and never ever gets a hint, yet he becomes aware of Luke simply by engaging in a dogfight against him. No matter how you spin that, it doesn't make sense. Also, in the course of tracking down the stolen plans to the Death Star (with a damn battleship, so you get the impression it's pretty important that he stay on top of this and pay attention to details), he goes back to his home planet, the lead goes to his mom's house, and ... nothing?
1) the Emperor was a powerless figurehead, the Empire was a military dictatorship. The prominence of Tarkin over Vader (he orders Vader around); the way Leia tells Tarkin "your" plan will not work. She doesn't care less about the Emperor, other than as some dolt granting the Generals more direct power.
2) the casual reference to the 'Clone Wars'; definitely seems to imply they fought AGAINST the clones. It's pretty rare that a winning side refers to a conflict with one of their own forces. Looking at the series now, shouldn't it have been "the Droid Wars", or "the Trade Federation revolt"?
3) No Jedi robes. Kenobi is dressed similar to Luke, Owen, and basically everyone on the desert planet, for practical purposes.
4) Luke and Leia weren't siblings. Luke has the hots for the princess; Solo plays with him to make him jealous. it's pretty damn creepy once the story plays out.
5) Old Ben was the last Jedi, there weren't any others (especially Yoda). And again, the Emperor wasn't a Force user. The showdown between Vader and Ben played that up, and the emergence of Luke underscored that (Vader wasn't prepared for Ben having an apprentice).
How so? If you look at the big story now, the Emperor was clearly aware that Yoda survived and escaped too. He and Vader would certainly consider HIM to be a far more important target than Kenobi, and probably the actual Rebellion for that matter. The Death Star would have been searching for him, not the Rebel base.
6) Vader wasn't anyone's daddy or related in any way. None of what happens in the first movie makes sense with that story; he personally tortures and interrogates Leia and never ever gets a hint, yet he becomes aware of Luke simply by engaging in a dogfight against him. No matter how you spin that, it doesn't make sense. Also, in the course of tracking down the stolen plans to the Death Star (with a damn battleship, so you get the impression it's pretty important that he stay on top of this and pay attention to details), he goes back to his home planet, the lead goes to his mom's house, and ... nothing?
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