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re: Turning Red-pixar
Posted on 3/14/22 at 1:43 pm to Salmon
Posted on 3/14/22 at 1:43 pm to Salmon
quote:I can only tell you my experiences. I watched it with my 10-year old daughter and had no real issues with the movie. She enjoyed it.
so can someone explain how it was "woke" and "overly sexualized"?
I see a viral post that people are sharing, and I find that post laughable (the one that starts off about a 13 year old being an adult and knowing everything). The movie does start off with the girl saying she's grown up because she now has an adult bus pass. What 13 year old doesn't think they know everything? I found this pretty accurate for teenagers.
I also didn't find it "over sexualized." Sure the girl had crushes on boys like many teenagers (and 10 year olds). She drew pictures of a boy she thought was cute, and she was kissing the boy in one of the pictures. Oh, the horror.
The girl later says that one of the band members is her tomagatchi's father. This is still nothing that teenagers don't joke about. These same people complaining probably were in the front row for NKOTB and other boy band concerts.
People complaining have watched way worse as teens and younger (think things such as Beavis and Butthead, Full House, Stand by Me, etc.).
Is the movie good? I won't watch it again but I wasn't offended by it. My daughter and her friends thought it was funny enough.
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Posted on 3/14/22 at 1:43 pm to Salmon
I don't know about "woke" but it is definitely over sexualized for a kids movie. The main group of girls are very horny for the boy band at the center of the story.
My main issue with the metaphor is that once you realize they are using her transformation anytime she has some hormonal response (outburst, horny, excited, etc) it sends a bad message how she is using the panda to exploit herself and make money from it.
Then there is the underlying message that women are uncontrollable, emotional animals.
My 4 year old son enjoyed it, mainly because of the fluffy animals fighting, but my wife and I were not impressed.
It's just not very good in general which means it's a bomb using Pixar's standard.
My main issue with the metaphor is that once you realize they are using her transformation anytime she has some hormonal response (outburst, horny, excited, etc) it sends a bad message how she is using the panda to exploit herself and make money from it.
Then there is the underlying message that women are uncontrollable, emotional animals.
My 4 year old son enjoyed it, mainly because of the fluffy animals fighting, but my wife and I were not impressed.
It's just not very good in general which means it's a bomb using Pixar's standard.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 1:53 pm to Salmon
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if its just about a young girl getting her first period (which is obvious from the trailer), my 9 year old knows about periods, so not sure she would be offended by that
It's pre-teen anime influenced. I'd say your daughter is right on the edge at 9yr/4th grade. You could always watch it beforehand to see for yourself.
*I think it would have gone over better if Disney/Pixar had given everyone a heads up that this one isn't like Encanto and intended for an older audience (not Kindergarteners)
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 3/14/22 at 1:56 pm to Displaced
The movie's target audience is far too narrow. It seems almost exclusively meant for 10-13 year old girls.
Pixar/Disney's draw has always been that anyone could watch and enjoy their movies. This does not have that appeal.
The movie just wasn't very good at all regardless of whatever issues people have with it.
Pixar/Disney's draw has always been that anyone could watch and enjoy their movies. This does not have that appeal.
The movie just wasn't very good at all regardless of whatever issues people have with it.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 1:59 pm to metallica81788
quote:I agree with this and I think it’s a realistic look at what they experience.
The movie's target audience is far too narrow. It seems almost exclusively meant for 10-13 year old girls.
I also agree that it’s not really a good movie, but I don’t find it controversial at all. But like I said, my daughter and her friends enjoyed it.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 2:01 pm to metallica81788
That's a fair point.
Inside out had a similar theme about growing up but it had broad appeal across all ages.
And they know it's not their best, otherwise why would they pass up $300M at the box office
Inside out had a similar theme about growing up but it had broad appeal across all ages.
And they know it's not their best, otherwise why would they pass up $300M at the box office
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 3/14/22 at 2:15 pm to Salmon
If it helps, the girl doesn't ever actually get her period in the classical sense. Her family has an ancient panda curse. She wakes up a panda and locks herself in the bathroom and her mom thinks it was her period and gets her a bunch of pads and stuff, and embarrasses her at school bringing them yelling YOU FORGOT YOUR PADS while waving a pack of them around. It very quickly becomes apparent to mom that it's actually The Family Panda Curse and the overt period talk stops.
The rest is pretty much Teenybopper Teen Wolf because she and her friends, who do giggle and swoon over boys a lot, want to see a boy band that Super Strict Asian Mom won't allow, especially because of Family Panda Curse, so she turns into the panda for photo ops and sells panda merch to buy tickets.
The rest is pretty much Teenybopper Teen Wolf because she and her friends, who do giggle and swoon over boys a lot, want to see a boy band that Super Strict Asian Mom won't allow, especially because of Family Panda Curse, so she turns into the panda for photo ops and sells panda merch to buy tickets.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:25 pm to Saint5446
Definitely the weakest one I’ve watched in a while. No villain, hamfisted metaphor for getting your period. Lots of period references. The kids liked it ok but there were no really catchy songs.
We definitely liked encanto better
We definitely liked encanto better
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:32 pm to lsutigersFTW
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Mediocre movie, but that 4Town song that they kept playing was a bop. I saw somebody this morning say that it was better than We Don’t Talk About Bruno, and I 100% agree
Posted on 3/15/22 at 12:58 pm to Saint5446
I watched this with my kids and couldnt believe this was a Pixar movie.
There's only one very small age group this will appeal to, pre teen girls.
And despite being completely conceived and directed by a woman, the main draw of the movie is the all of the women in the story turn into giant panda monsters whenever they get emotional.
I have a daughter and it's not exactly a message I would want to send to her as a father...I don't know about anyone else.
If a man was responsible for something like that, he would be canceled before the movie even made it to production. So strange.
There's only one very small age group this will appeal to, pre teen girls.
And despite being completely conceived and directed by a woman, the main draw of the movie is the all of the women in the story turn into giant panda monsters whenever they get emotional.
I have a daughter and it's not exactly a message I would want to send to her as a father...I don't know about anyone else.
If a man was responsible for something like that, he would be canceled before the movie even made it to production. So strange.
Posted on 3/15/22 at 3:30 pm to Rhio
quote:In your experience, have the girls/women you knew suffer from PMS and act emotional and or mean? Do they have trouble dealing with their hormones as a pre-teen and teenager? That's what this is getting at in my opinion.
the main draw of the movie is the all of the women in the story turn into giant panda monsters whenever they get emotional.
quote:If the message is one based in reality, I have no problem talking with my daughter about this and things she can do to help her better handle her emotions.
I have a daughter and it's not exactly a message I would want to send to her as a father.
quote:I agree with you here that if a man made it, it would be getting blasted by women.
If a man was responsible for something like that, he would be canceled before the movie even made it to production. So strange.
This post was edited on 3/15/22 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 3/15/22 at 3:45 pm to Linoge
quote:
Disney ultimately capitulated to their woke employees and started attacking the Florida bill.
I'd be willing to bet 99.99% of the woke haven't read the bill and don't know what they are talking about. But muh feelins.
And here it is:
Parental Rights in Education; Requires district school boards to adopt procedures that comport with certain provisions of law for notifying student's parent of specified information; requires such procedures to reinforce fundamental right of parents to make decisions regarding upbringing & control of their children; prohibits school district from adopting procedures or student support forms that prohibit school district personnel from notifying parent about specified information or that encourage student to withhold from parent such information; prohibits school district personnel from discouraging or prohibiting parental notification & involvement in critical decisions affecting student's mental, emotional, or physical well-being; prohibits classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels (kindergarten through 3rd grade); requires school districts to notify parents of healthcare services; authorizes parent to bring action against school district to obtain declaratory judgment; provides for additional award of injunctive relief, damages, & reasonable attorney fees & court costs to certain parents.
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 3:46 pm to Displaced
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but it is definitely over sexualized for a kids movie. The main group of girls are very horny for the boy band at the center of the story.
Sounds like every 10-14 year old girl for as long as boys have existed.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 9:59 am to LaLadyinTx
On Rotten Tomatoes this movie currently has a 95% critics and 73% audience. Im calling shenanigans. This movie was hot garbage.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:07 am to OMLandshark
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But I don’t like a movie with someone of Chinese descent calling “Turning Red”
I'm going to presume there's more to your dislike of the movie than just the ancestry of the main character?
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:15 am to Geaux17
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FreeForm
Don’t trust FreeForm. They run some raunchy commercials for a channel supposedly geared towards young people. Your 10 yr old daughter will be like “daddy what’s a condom?” And the sick pedos in the entertainment industry cackle in glee.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:21 am to sahikojones
That sounds like a dreadful storyline.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:22 am to skrayper
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I'm going to presume there's more to your dislike of the movie than just the ancestry of the main character?
Ummm, I like the Chinese people. Got quite a bit of Chinese friends, but this would set alarm bells off even for them.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:23 am to skrayper
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But I don’t like a movie with someone of Chinese descent calling “Turning Red”
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I'm going to presume there's more to your dislike of the movie than just the ancestry of the main character?
i AM NOT going conspiracy theorist here, but outside of a red panda (which is actually orange and an adorable animal) and red for menstruation, the association of the color Red and Maoist China has a somewhat negative connotation.
quote:
Starting from the "Red August" of 1966, people in the Five Black Categories were separated out for struggle sessions, humiliation, re-education, beating, and persecution.[2][4][5] Many of them were killed by the Red Guards and others.[3][4][6] Mao believed that victimizing these people, as well as other groups of citizens – such as teachers, educated intellectuals, and enemies of the Communist Party (cadres) – was a necessary component to initiate the changes in the Chinese culture that he desired. He believed that those who were victimized either deserved it or became better citizens as a result of it. In general, intellectuals were called the "Stinking Old Ninth". Effectively, within few years, the education and medical infrastructure of China was completely destroyed.[7][8]
again, i am not in any way saying that's what Pixar, the Director, or anybody was shooting for, just saying that's not a great association with red and China (the country, not the chinese people)
also regarding freeform, they have the worst commercials on all of TV. it's like they purposely go and seek out hiv, std, condom ads on top of their own show trailers where they really like to show almost sex-scenes.
i'm not a prude and i'm fairly loose with my teenage boys and what they can watch, but we don't watch freeform usually specifically because the ads.
This post was edited on 3/24/22 at 10:29 am
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:25 am to Displaced
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Then there is the underlying message that women are uncontrollable, emotional animals.
Accurate though....
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