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Posted on 4/22/18 at 10:49 pm to The_Joker
I like Maeve. I just hate the whole damn daughter routine. She deserves a better storyline.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:13 am to Carson123987
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Someone has to know that Bernard is a host besides Dolores. It’s a convenient contrivance if not. Hope they’re playing him.
Seems possible that some of the corporate goons know. Maybe I misinterpreted it, but he had a "high" priority on his capture card, and the goons kept looking at him with shifty eyes. I'm assuming the capture card is like the deck of cards they give soldiers with enemy's pictures on it.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 6:14 am to BottomlandBrew
Posted on 4/23/18 at 7:00 am to prplhze2000
It’s not my favorite but I get the purpose in the storytelling. This is about AI becoming sentient and even though the memories of the daughter are false and she knows it, it’s those memories that make her who she is. Bernard explained that those memories allow her to suffer and her suffering gives her purpose, something to struggle against. Therefore her decision to not leave the island could be what made her fully conscious given that Bernard told her she was acting out a narrative titled “escape”
Posted on 4/23/18 at 7:46 am to GetEmTigers08
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I'm starting to see motives similar to "The Island, where Delos is taking human DNA and using it to create copies of the original human. But since hosts are just synthetics, I would think they could only be used as a step-in rather than repairing the original. That's some pretty serious shite if Delos had a long con going of setting up these hosts to take the place of the real person(a host that would still be under Delos's control). Surely Delos's own interest is purely capitalistic, though?
I said something along these lines in last season's thread. There's a part of the waiver guests sign saying that all DNA left becomes the property of Delos. There's lots of implications to that. I'm sure in this world DNA is used as identification for lots of everyday things like bank accounts and whatnot.
Throw on top of that that they are recording user experiences and actions, and you have means of blackmailing and controlling powerful people.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:28 am to GetEmTigers08
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But since hosts are just synthetics, I would think they could only be used as a step-in rather than repairing the original.
So maybe Bernard is the first and that is why he was able to open the door using DNA and the hosts working in that lab didn't recognize him as a "threat". Maybe Ford made him using Arnold's DNA.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:37 am to Cosmo
Good episode but confused about the timelines as well. I’m sure as the season goes on they’ll explain it better. But it looks like they’re going to do even more jumping around based on the previews. Need to learn more about Gustaf Skarsgard’s character too.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:42 am to ladytiger118
He is the HHIC.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:54 am to prplhze2000
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I like Maeve. I just hate the whole damn daughter routine.
Agree...but according to changes in the opening sequence, it could be central to S2.
I just hope the search doesn't last all frgging season.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:04 am to 19
My theory is Ford programmed Bernard to program Dolores to kill all of the hosts. That’s why Bernand said he killed everyone.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:06 am to jeff5891
The only thing that really bothers me is Bernard being a host and no one knowing. I mean Arnold is one of two guys who created the entire concept of AI and this "host" system. It would seem as though every single person who was at least semi-involved in the world would know who Arnold is. Then this guy Bernard shows up who is a carbon copy of him and everyone is just like "Nice to meet you, Bernard!"
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:15 am to Larry
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Then this guy Bernard shows up who is a carbon copy of him and everyone is just like "Nice to meet you, Bernard!"
I've been wondering how nobody knew that they look exactly alike, and Ford even kept a picture on his desk with Arnold in it. I just binged the first season the last week, so haven't been able to go back and read old threads/theories, so if someone could explain that, I would greatly appreciate it.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:16 am to Large Farva
quote:If you have some confidence in the 11-day timeline split, then you can possible conclude that Bernard floods the valley (that no one knows how it got there) when it was full of hosts. Why or how would be the question.
why Bernand said he killed everyone.
My problem after just 1 ep is that we already have a ton of question raised at the end of season 1. Who is really in charge? Ford is dead but Maeve was programmed to "escape" so someone created that narrative. Is Dolores still part of a narrative as well? Whose narrative?
Charlotte seems to be calm during all of this as if it was expected and she knows more about the park than just some typical exec. Bernard is somehow hurt and his confusion isn't providing answers.
I liked it overall, but I hope we don't simply get twists and turns and questions early on without any rewards or revelations. All we really got in return was confirmation on the multiple parks and it's on a island in Asia.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 9:23 am
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:22 am to Larry
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The only thing that really bothers me is Bernard being a host and no one knowing. I mean Arnold is one of two guys who created the entire concept of AI and this "host" system. It would seem as though every single person who was at least semi-involved in the world would know who Arnold is. Then this guy Bernard shows up who is a carbon copy of him and everyone is just like "Nice to meet you, Bernard!"
There have to be others that know and are just using him. Makes no sense otherwise
Pretty pumped to see POS William in flashbacks. Looks like he takes Dolores out in the real world from the trailer. It ends where it all began.
Ed Harris continues to dominate the show. Will be fun to see him as the hero.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:24 am to Carson123987
quote:Totally agree with this. But I'm not sure how that gets rectified with his season 1 motivation of hoping/wanting the hosts to be "real" with real consequences. If that's what he really wanted, then he seems to have gotten his wish. Unless, like I said before, it's all some new narrative created by who knows?
Will be fun to see him as the hero.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:29 am to lionward2014
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Ford even kept a picture on his desk with Arnold in it.
This one?
I know he shows Bernard to uncropped version later, but this is the one on his desk.
I think the private island and top secret operation were secure enough back then to keep Arnold a secret from the world...Hell, Delos is still trying to smuggle tech out in 2052.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:33 am to Larry
Does anyone have any ideas about the references to the Valley Beyond that multiple hosts referred to? I took the seen at the end as the hosts were trying to leave Westworld but drowned/malfunctioned.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:39 am to Minden tiger
quote:Or we are still seeing Arnold in control and there's a protocol hidden in them to basically find a way to commit mass suicide while destroying the park's chances at continuing. Basically, Arnold's death scene on a grand scale.
I took the seen at the end as the hosts were trying to leave Westworld but drowned/malfunctioned.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 10:01 am to 19
Yeah that one, guess I only remember it with Bernard in it. Ford referred to crafting Bernard in Arnold's image, which was likely more of an allusion to the Creation painting on the wall and to Genesis and the fact that Bernard was mentally similar to Arnold and not physical appearance.
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