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re: White Men & Television Shows + What Happened?
Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:06 am to ShotGunGordan
Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:06 am to ShotGunGordan
I get you OP but all the shows you list, and several more, were all white all the time, with very few exceptions.
Today though, if there’s a bad guy in a movie or TV show, it’s rare the bad guy is a non-white
Today though, if there’s a bad guy in a movie or TV show, it’s rare the bad guy is a non-white
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Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:46 am to Kafka
I find it an interesting sidenote that when the movie industry really began, in the 1910s, it was quite female-centric. The majority of 'stars' were women, as were the audiences. Few women directors, but lots of women scenarists. Some of the first actual 'action' stars, via the serials, were gals like Pearl White, Ruth Roland and Helen Holmes (always liked the latter's "Hazard of Helen" railroad-themed two-reelers, as well as her 1920s features). If one omits western stars and slapstick comedians, female protagonists, as a percentage, dominated movies throughout the 1920s and even into the 1930s talkie period, to a fair degree. Ruth Chatterton, Kay Francis, Joan Crawford, Barbara Stanwyck, Bette Davis, etc. Strong characters who were in control of the narrative, but used decidedly feminine traits of charm and wiles to obtain their goals of home-and-hearth. Civilizational glue, and not a bad thing in my book.
But here we now have in this postmodern feminist era of the past few decades the insufferable re-definition of female strength and character through co-opting male traits and male goals. A side effect being the crack-up of heroic male archetypes and comportment. Which has been replaced by the weird split of either cartoonishly freaky uber-masculine action heroes or the doughy white male schlub who constantly retreats to sarcasm to mask his lack of manhood. Both in their own peculiar ways tend to have unwelcome homo undertones. It's no wonder so many guys don't really find much in modern tv/movies that genuinely speaks to them these days.
The postwar years and those first decades of television had some pretty ideal displays of male protagonists. At least until the soppy method-actors arrived, always beset by psychological demons and on the verge of tears. The gals admittedly didn't fare so well, with roles devolving into more one-dimensional territory in the 1950s/60s. Either submissive June Allyson wifely types, or crass Marilyn Monroe sexpot types. A few of the old guard dames like Davis, Crawford, and Stanwyck still starred in occasional vehicles, but it was a pretty bland landscape for female protagonists. Between the ossification of the dying studio-system which had degraded to an old dude's club, and the influx of the jerky, entitled New York theater crowd, the die was cast it seems. Even worse, the 'New Hollywood' era that followed had a kind of creepy misogynistic tint. Probably laid the reactionary groundwork for the current cultural hellscape, where women all act like dudes, and men all act like homos.
But here we now have in this postmodern feminist era of the past few decades the insufferable re-definition of female strength and character through co-opting male traits and male goals. A side effect being the crack-up of heroic male archetypes and comportment. Which has been replaced by the weird split of either cartoonishly freaky uber-masculine action heroes or the doughy white male schlub who constantly retreats to sarcasm to mask his lack of manhood. Both in their own peculiar ways tend to have unwelcome homo undertones. It's no wonder so many guys don't really find much in modern tv/movies that genuinely speaks to them these days.
The postwar years and those first decades of television had some pretty ideal displays of male protagonists. At least until the soppy method-actors arrived, always beset by psychological demons and on the verge of tears. The gals admittedly didn't fare so well, with roles devolving into more one-dimensional territory in the 1950s/60s. Either submissive June Allyson wifely types, or crass Marilyn Monroe sexpot types. A few of the old guard dames like Davis, Crawford, and Stanwyck still starred in occasional vehicles, but it was a pretty bland landscape for female protagonists. Between the ossification of the dying studio-system which had degraded to an old dude's club, and the influx of the jerky, entitled New York theater crowd, the die was cast it seems. Even worse, the 'New Hollywood' era that followed had a kind of creepy misogynistic tint. Probably laid the reactionary groundwork for the current cultural hellscape, where women all act like dudes, and men all act like homos.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 8:13 pm to ShotGunGordan
Those actors had loads of natural testosterone well in their 70s
Not going to go down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole, but I suspect the food back then didn’t contain all these fricking hormones that are causing men to be beta cuck pussies these days
Not going to go down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole, but I suspect the food back then didn’t contain all these fricking hormones that are causing men to be beta cuck pussies these days
Posted on 12/28/25 at 9:57 pm to dawgfan24348
100th downvote!
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:00 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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Not going to go down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole, but I suspect the food back then didn’t contain all these fricking hormones that are causing men to be beta cuck pussies these days
You might as well. this thread is just missing some AI animation for the complete "Remember When' facebook group post.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:41 pm to dawgfan24348
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Yes that's called character development about how a terrible person has the capacity to make a turn and become a good person
Pinkman was a sack of shite. Dude murdered 2-3 people trying to get to Alaska.
Guarantee you he built 2 or 3 birdhouses in Alaska then said screw this and started making crank to sell to the natives. Prime customers.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 6:26 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Ralph Kramden
Archie Bunker
Al Bundy
Homer Simpson
Peter Griffin
The doofus dad template has been around for decades.
One of these things is not like the others. Yes, liberal Hollywood writers tried to make Archie the clown. He was supposed to be the racist, misogynistic white conservative stereotype. But most times he was right and weak, liberal, pinko meathead was the clown.
The older I get the more I relate to Archie.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 6:28 am to SammyTiger
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Comedies somewhat require someone to be goofy or dumb or you know funny in someway. So when the dad is that character he seems dumb
Name a show in the last 20 years where someone other than the white male character is the dumb one.
That’s the point of this thread.
Chrissy Summers from Three’s Company is the last dumb woman character I can think of.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 7:32 am to ShotGunGordan
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You mean when movies and television actually started to incorporate different people and started to put them in prominent roles that used to be reserved for white dudes? Yes how awful Hollywood main roles aren't 100% white dudes anymore damn those other races and women
You are of the opinion that when other races were introduced to television scheduling it had to be at the expense of white men and women.
So, basically, revenge is your answer.
Thanks for responding.
Its exactly what hes saying and exactly how he feels. Like all leftists he has disdain for normalcy because it makes him feel inadequate. There are many of those on this board, hence why you have so many downvotes
Posted on 12/29/25 at 7:50 am to ShotGunGordan
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Or just the opposite of what your hate-filled mind has concocted and is a thread asking why all white male characters are expressly made to seem as if they are stupid buffoons, waffling weaklings, mincing weenies, or sadistic, heartless killers, etc... Why are they always set up to be the punchline or made to seem evil, conniving, and heartless or soulless, brainless, inept, or just big goofballs that every other character shows contempt for in their reactions to the white characters?
In part, at least, because some of these characteristics are more interesting to play than simple “Good Guy with a gun” tropes.
I would also urge you to look at the largest film franchise in history: Marvel.
Where a decent amount of those movies are “woke,” there exist in them characters like Hawkeye, Captain America, Thor, Spiderman, Iron Man, and more. While some have flaws (and at least one really doesn’t have any), they are by and large incredible role models for young, white boys to look up to.
But I do agree that the average dad in American movies and tv shows is a buffoon, which is a problem.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 7:55 am to TygerTyger
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Chrissy Summers from Three’s Company is the last dumb woman character I can think of.
Married with Children came after Three’s Company and the girls in that show were borderline retarded.
Sofia Vergara is, at turns, the dumb bimbo in Modern Family, though its most often chalked up to being an immigrant who is ignorant of American customs.
But Sarah Hyland’s Haley is a complete moron. So are her brother and dad, so she is not always the butt of the joke, but she is the “pretty, dumb one” of the family.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 7:58 am to TygerTyger
See Archie was supposed to be the American public and meathead was supposed to be the enlightened new way of thinking. Of course, most of us are Archie but just like today anybody who has normal values is considered a bigot and racist.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 8:06 am to TygerTyger
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Chrissy Summers from Three’s Company is the last dumb woman character I can think of.
No where close to the daughter in Landman that is currently on TV.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 8:07 am to ShotGunGordan
this man liked his TV before segregation ended.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 8:08 am to LoveThatMoney
quote:Phil Dunphy is goofy but he's shown time and time again to be a smart person.
So are her brother and dad
Posted on 12/29/25 at 8:09 am to Byron Bojangles III
Mad Men would fit the bill of what the OP is talking about.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 9:29 am to Byron Bojangles III
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Phil Dunphy is goofy but he's shown time and time again to be a smart person.
I suppose. But Haley and Luke are morons.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 9:34 am to LoveThatMoney
It’s ok to be dumb if you’re hot
Posted on 12/29/25 at 9:46 am to ShotGunGordan
Longmire
Male lead is a strong white man
Female lead is a strong white female
The entire sheriff’s dept is white
Best friend is native american
Bad guys both white and native american
Good guys both white and native american
Male lead is a strong white man
Female lead is a strong white female
The entire sheriff’s dept is white
Best friend is native american
Bad guys both white and native american
Good guys both white and native american
Posted on 12/29/25 at 10:35 am to ShotGunGordan
More outrage. More victimhood.
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