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Question for Genesis Fans
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:13 pm
This question may have been asked on here before, and I know it is a popular debate among fans of Genesis. Okay, so I know there are those who prefer the Peter Gabriel-led era of Genesis, and those who prefer the Phil Collins-led era of Genesis. I’m of the latter. I grew up listening to Phil Collins and am a big fan of his music to this day. My Mom had a cassette tape of We Can’t Dance and I enjoyed listening to it growing up. That was also my first exposure to Genesis, and then I later heard their other hits with Phil.
I’m thinking about checking out the Peter Gabriel era, but being I enjoy the pop side of Genesis with Phil Collins, from what I’ve heard, the Gabriel albums are a far departure from that. Still, I believe my curiosity will have me check it out.
So, who do you like better, Gabriel or Collins? Do you enjoy both?
Also, in before American Psycho lol
I’m thinking about checking out the Peter Gabriel era, but being I enjoy the pop side of Genesis with Phil Collins, from what I’ve heard, the Gabriel albums are a far departure from that. Still, I believe my curiosity will have me check it out.
So, who do you like better, Gabriel or Collins? Do you enjoy both?
Also, in before American Psycho lol
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:01 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Collins era. Preferably with gated reverb drums.
Love Gabriel and his solo stuff, but this is an example, I think, where they were better apart than together. The Gabriel era Genesis is very, very progressive. I like progressive rock and respect the musicianship, but I just don't think a lot of it is very cohesive. It is just all over the place.
Love Gabriel and his solo stuff, but this is an example, I think, where they were better apart than together. The Gabriel era Genesis is very, very progressive. I like progressive rock and respect the musicianship, but I just don't think a lot of it is very cohesive. It is just all over the place.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:30 pm to SaintlyTiger88
try "selling england by the pound"
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:49 pm to cgrand
Steve Hackett era Genesis is my favorite
Posted on 5/24/22 at 2:06 pm to SaintlyTiger88
I'm sure there are people on here that are much more knowledgeable about Genesis than me but for me the question is Hackett era or post-Hackett era. I enjoy the Hackett era much more than post-Hackett era.
When Hackett joined Genesis after Trespass (replacing original guitarist Anthony Phillips in 1971) they were well into the progressive vein of music. With Hackett Genesis recorded (imo) their best music including "Selling England by the Pound" and "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway".
Hackett stayed on with the band until "A Trick of the Tail" and "Wind & Wuthering" both released in 1976 and were the last true totally progressive albums recorded by the band. Collins had the lead singer role in Hackett's last two albums with the band replacing Peter Gabriel on vocals.
After Hackett left it became a 3 piece band with Collins, Banks, and Rutherford and they recorded "And Then There Were Three" which was released in 1978. From there on they concentrated on shorter, poppier songs and distanced themselves from their progressive roots.
As an aside, when "Duke" came out in 1980 I was in Leisure Landing record store in Baton Rouge. Jimmy Strickland had the album prominently featured in his store and had written over the title "Puke" showing where his loyalties laid with the group.
When Hackett joined Genesis after Trespass (replacing original guitarist Anthony Phillips in 1971) they were well into the progressive vein of music. With Hackett Genesis recorded (imo) their best music including "Selling England by the Pound" and "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway".
Hackett stayed on with the band until "A Trick of the Tail" and "Wind & Wuthering" both released in 1976 and were the last true totally progressive albums recorded by the band. Collins had the lead singer role in Hackett's last two albums with the band replacing Peter Gabriel on vocals.
After Hackett left it became a 3 piece band with Collins, Banks, and Rutherford and they recorded "And Then There Were Three" which was released in 1978. From there on they concentrated on shorter, poppier songs and distanced themselves from their progressive roots.
As an aside, when "Duke" came out in 1980 I was in Leisure Landing record store in Baton Rouge. Jimmy Strickland had the album prominently featured in his store and had written over the title "Puke" showing where his loyalties laid with the group.
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 5/24/22 at 2:51 pm to SaintlyTiger88
I’ve been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that I didn’t really understand any of their work.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 3:14 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Some of the Gabriel era stuff is just too progressive and weird for me, but i love The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. The end of the Phil Collins era was horrible pop cheese (Invisible Touch on). Guess i need to go back and listen to the Hackett stuff. Friend just saw him in Seattle said the show was great so he's touring.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 3:31 pm to rebelrouser
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The end of the Phil Collins era was horrible pop cheese (Invisible Touch on)
Are you kidding me? Invisible Touch was a great album with great sounds. Probably too commercial but doesn't mean it's bad. Genesis (the album) was another great album. Anything prior to Phil as lead singer is dark and insignificant to me.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:21 pm to rebelrouser
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The end of the Phil Collins era was horrible pop cheese (Invisible Touch on).
I get that a lot of the old school Genesis loyalists may feel this way, but there is definitely great music to be found in the Phil Collins “pop” years. For example, “Driving the Last Spike” off of We Can’t Dance. I think any Genesis fan can listen to that track, and I feel like many would agree it’s probably one of the finest songs ever written and performed by the band.
Driving the Last Spike
Posted on 5/24/22 at 5:25 pm to SaintlyTiger88
At the Foo Fighters show in NOLA at the HOB, April 1997...each member of the band took a sharpie to a plain white hane's t-shirt and wrote a band name on it.
David Eric Grohl wrote "Early Genesis" on his. So, that is Dave's vote
David Eric Grohl wrote "Early Genesis" on his. So, that is Dave's vote
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 5/24/22 at 8:58 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Freaking love Peter Gabriel so there's that.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:16 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Supper's Ready illustrated
This is a great job illustrating the song Supper's Ready. The individual also has one for the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway album.
For those unfamiliar with Revelation, the song Supper's Ready is inspired by it.
This is a great job illustrating the song Supper's Ready. The individual also has one for the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway album.
For those unfamiliar with Revelation, the song Supper's Ready is inspired by it.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:13 am to SaintlyTiger88
Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, Foxtrot, Nursery Cryme, Selling England by the Pound, Trespass. All of the Gabriel albums are superior in my opinion, but I lean more towards their progressive stuff. Phil Collins is a great drummer though, and he does a good job singing the Gabriel era stuff on Seconds Out. I lost interest after Trick of the Tail, and can't stand their pop stuff with Collins, but that's just my opinion. Lamb Lies Down is their best album to me.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 12:22 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:17 am to Ramblin Wreck
Great question. Im a huge fan of Gabriel era Genesis. Lamb is in my top ten albums of all time. Great music, the drumming is incredible and the bass lines are inspired. Gabriel's lyrics are so good too. Broadway Melody of 1974 is amazing. I am also a huge fan of Gabriel's solo work. His solo music and lyrics are truly moving.
I love all of the post Gabriel Genesis albums through Abacab. Same great quality writing and musicianship, even though they changed direction. The Collins solo era and Genesis albums lost me. The pop stuff was overplayed and I couldn't listen to some of it.
I got tickets for the Last Domino tour, due to the inclusion of some classics in the set list, and made a playlist that includes some of the material from the later albums and I actually enjoy a lot of it. I skipped over the later hits but there is some great material on those albums.
Collins as a drummer was unmatched. Collins as a singer stepped into some big shoes and the band didn't miss a beat after he picked up the mic. I have nothing but respect for all of those guys. Hoping for a new Peter Gabriel album in the near future.
I love all of the post Gabriel Genesis albums through Abacab. Same great quality writing and musicianship, even though they changed direction. The Collins solo era and Genesis albums lost me. The pop stuff was overplayed and I couldn't listen to some of it.
I got tickets for the Last Domino tour, due to the inclusion of some classics in the set list, and made a playlist that includes some of the material from the later albums and I actually enjoy a lot of it. I skipped over the later hits but there is some great material on those albums.
Collins as a drummer was unmatched. Collins as a singer stepped into some big shoes and the band didn't miss a beat after he picked up the mic. I have nothing but respect for all of those guys. Hoping for a new Peter Gabriel album in the near future.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 6:36 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:22 am to Shockthamonkey
You gotta love, Back in NYC!
ETA, based on your screen name, I'm sure you do!
ETA, based on your screen name, I'm sure you do!
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 12:31 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:25 am to bleeng
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I'm sure there are people on here that are much more knowledgeable about Genesis than me but for me the question is Hackett era or post-Hackett era. I enjoy the Hackett era much more than post-Hackett era.
Totally agreed. The band changed more when Hackett left than when Peter left. The two post-Gabriel albums were much more like the previous ones than the ones that came after that.
Music can be enjoyed on a lot of different levels. I tend to enjoy music more when it says something interesting musically and/or lyrically and when there is outstanding musicianship. It just seemed to me that after the departure of Gabriel and Hackett, that the band didn't have as much to say as they did before. They were still great musicians; they didn't suddenly forget how to play. It's just that what they played didn't interest me as much as the early stuff.
I was fortunate enough to see one of the Genesis: Revisited shows that Steve Hackett did and it was great to see all of that music like Suppers Ready, Watcher of the Skies, Firth of Fifth and Musical Box brought to life again.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:56 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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I get that a lot of the old school Genesis loyalists may feel this way, but there is definitely great music to be found in the Phil Collins “pop” years. For example, “Driving the Last Spike” off of We Can’t Dance. I think any Genesis fan can listen to that track, and I feel like many would agree it’s probably one of the finest songs ever written and performed by the band.
We Can't Dance is an underrated album. Lots of good stuff on the whether you like the 'pop' stuff or the longer type songs like 'Driving The Last Spike'. "No Son of Mine' is pretty deep for a lead single
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:34 pm to Chitter Chatter
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”No Son of Mine' is pretty deep for a lead single
I absolutely love that song, have for a long time. Everything about that song just pulls me in and I feel all the emotion. Awesome track.
You’re right about the album being underrated. It really features some great songwriting and, in my opinion, memorable songs. It just doesn’t get respect from the old school fans.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 12:03 am to cgrand
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try "selling england by the pound"
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:19 am to SaintlyTiger88
I almost feel like they are 2 different bands. But I like them both.
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