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Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:13 pm to
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:13 pm to
Yeah I agree this makes sense for Indy trying to rebuild. If this falls flat for lakers boy are they in trouble for years to come with only a couple 1st round swaps for 7 years
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:17 pm to
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f this falls flat for lakers boy are they in trouble for years to come with only a couple 1st round swaps for 7 years
Don't get me wrong, the Lakers would be in a real tough spot, but the only thing I'd caution is even though it didn't work out in the end, we all, myself included, had the exact same thoughts about the Nets being dead in the water for years to come, and 4 seasons later they had Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, and James Harden on their team.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 2:18 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
129051 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:25 pm to
I don't think it makes sense for Indy actually.

It takes the ball out of Haliburton's hands which I am sure they don't want to do, adds a guy that definitely would not want to be there, etc.

And if they wanted to dump Hield and Brogdon, they could likely get picks much closer to now than 2027 and 2029...which is what a rebuilding team needs.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112702 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:26 pm to
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And if they wanted to dump Hield and Brogdon, they could likely get picks much closer to now than 2027 and 2029...which is what a rebuilding team needs.

Maybe Brogdon, but I'd be surprised if Hield can net a 1st round pick.

quote:

It takes the ball out of Haliburton's hands which I am sure they don't want to do, adds a guy that definitely would not want to be there, etc.

I'd do the deal and immediately buy out Westbrook, would never even have him come to town.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26459 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:08 pm to
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Toní demanded a trade.


His man ain’t allowing that to happen, lol n
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26459 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:15 pm to
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pels broke lebonk


Sounds like beaucoup excuses for failure to me.
Posted by longhorn22
Nicholls St. Fan
Member since Jan 2007
42895 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:21 pm to
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Rams already had a contending team. The Lakers do not.


This won't age well

I understand the temperature in this thread and this board as only certain goggles can be worn, but also at the same time they are the Lakers. I hate it just as much as the next guy...just like my dislike for the Yankees in baseball....but it all comes full circle. It will happen again....and usually sooner rather than later...
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
129051 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:23 pm to
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I hate it just as much as the next guy


I really don't think you do.
Posted by DarkHornet
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2003
232 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:52 pm to
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This won't age well

I understand the temperature in this thread and this board as only certain goggles can be worn, but also at the same time they are the Lakers. I hate it just as much as the next guy...just like my dislike for the Yankees in baseball....but it all comes full circle. It will happen again....and usually sooner rather than later...


People often say the same about the Knicks. Yet, here we are. It's possible to have built in advantages, and still be so poorly managed that you can't get out of your own way.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112702 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:54 pm to
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but also at the same time they are the Lakers
The Lakers have been one of the worst run franchises with one of the worst NBA records over the past decade. They've been below .500 7 of the past 9 seasons.

The title run was much more of an outlier than this season.

The similarities between Kobe aging and now Lebron aging are there too. They're following that same playbook. If they give Lebron an extension, they're screwed.

We all want the Lakers to be as bad as possible but it's probably actually best for the Pels for Lebron to be about as good next season as he was this season, so the Lakers can fall into the trap if overpaying him like they did Kobe.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 3:56 pm
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103422 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:03 pm to
My focus isn’t on LeBron as much as the supporting cast.

Toni will be sold off for help and Westbrick will be shipped out. They handle this poorly and they handicap themselves for years regardless of LeBron staying.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
47695 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:47 pm to
BTW I’ve been in the LA area since Wednesday (Ventura & Santa Barbara). Sitting in a bar right now outside waiting to head to LAX

I wore my pels cap around all week and tried to mess with any lakers fans I saw. I can report that nobody here cares about the lakers unless they are winning LOL
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103422 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:57 pm to
Reggie Miller on the Lakers

Reggie Miller is taking a lot of shots at the Lakers and making good points about how bush league the whole thing has been of blaming Vogel and Westbrook for everything when Pelinka, Jeannie Buss, and LeBron are far more responsible.

He also called out Toni and said he needs to be able to be on the court 72-75 games with LeBron for this to work. He also said they should consider trading Toni to blow things up, a la OKC, and stockpile picks for a rebuild.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20871 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:13 pm to
Westbrook says he “was never given a fair chance to be who I needed to be to help this team.”

He also expressed some dissatisfaction with Vogel:

quote:

“I'm not sure what his issue was with me,"

Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103422 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 7:28 pm to
Laker sources are claiming that Vogel told the team something and Westbrook straight contradicted him in front of everyone.

IIRC, Vogel said “If you catch a defensive board, you can bring it up court.”

Westbrook got shitty and insisted the ball run through him because he is the point.


Selective leaks I am sure but that sounds very believable.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103422 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 7:38 pm to
Wrong thread
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 7:41 pm
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
32136 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 7:49 pm to
As it stands, I'm not sure what Anthony Davis can get back, so gambling on his health may be the smarter decision.

Now its obvious getting rid of Westbrook is important but figuring out the return on role players will be interesting
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103422 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 7:53 pm to
I don’t think Toni brings much back unless Rich Paul pressures a team to trade with the Lakers again.

The problem for the Lakers is that the only assets they have are LeBron and Toni and we know LeBron ain’t leaving unless he wants out. So improving the team means moving Toni.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
32136 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 8:04 pm to
The only other thought is Simmons. A healthy Toni with Durant and kyrie would actually be scary
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 8:40 pm to
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I don’t think Toni brings much back unless Rich Paul pressures a team to trade with the Lakers again


What pressure can he apply? You can threaten to leave, but threatening to come is something only SirWinston's wife dreads.
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