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Posted on 1/20/19 at 12:21 pm to cgrand
the “mistake” I think I’m most aggrieved about is drafting Hield over Murray. Shortsightedness...again. So even when he did stay put and take his “free” player he didnt have a plan other than “win now”
oh well
oh well
Posted on 1/20/19 at 1:59 pm to cgrand
He made a lot of mistakes.
Also did many things right.
But his main problem was win-now mandate given by Benson.
But what if's make no sense here...
Also did many things right.
But his main problem was win-now mandate given by Benson.
But what if's make no sense here...
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:32 pm to pawel
Biggest mistake that had the biggest impact in my mind was hiring Gentry. Just a really dumb hire.
Next biggest was resigning EG and not doing a S&T to Phoenix. Egghead made it abundantly clear he didn't want to be here, and we should have sent his arse packing.
Next biggest was resigning Asik to that stupid contract. There was nothing wrong with trading away the 18th pick for Asik. He simply never played to his previous abilities with us and we shouldn't have doubled down on it with that ridiculous 4 year deal.
I'm not that down on the Tyreke trade either that got rid of Rolo and General Grevius. Without Tyreke, we don't make the playoffs, and that's a fact. We should have been able to easily find cheap rim protectors to replace Lopez, but we didn't.
A smaller set of mistakes was constantly trading away 2nd round picks. If you're not going to ever make 1st round picks (which I didn't have a big problem with), at least take some shots in the dark at 2nd rounders. You can't have a team with zero young players. Frank and Diallo are pretty much all we've had since drafting AD/Rivers/Miller in 2012.
I think the biggest mistake since drafting AD was not putting quality vets around him when he was young to help mold him into a leader. after drafting AD, that was the time to give some old vet a 2 year deal that he doesn't really deserve, but you give it to him simply so he can help AD mature into the league. Finding a way to add a guy like Tyson Chandler, especially when shite was hitting the fan with the Knicks, they should have tried to get him to come back. I doubt he was ever going to come back to New Orleans, but the point remains the same that someone of that caliber character needed to be around AD early on.
Next biggest was resigning EG and not doing a S&T to Phoenix. Egghead made it abundantly clear he didn't want to be here, and we should have sent his arse packing.
Next biggest was resigning Asik to that stupid contract. There was nothing wrong with trading away the 18th pick for Asik. He simply never played to his previous abilities with us and we shouldn't have doubled down on it with that ridiculous 4 year deal.
I'm not that down on the Tyreke trade either that got rid of Rolo and General Grevius. Without Tyreke, we don't make the playoffs, and that's a fact. We should have been able to easily find cheap rim protectors to replace Lopez, but we didn't.
A smaller set of mistakes was constantly trading away 2nd round picks. If you're not going to ever make 1st round picks (which I didn't have a big problem with), at least take some shots in the dark at 2nd rounders. You can't have a team with zero young players. Frank and Diallo are pretty much all we've had since drafting AD/Rivers/Miller in 2012.
I think the biggest mistake since drafting AD was not putting quality vets around him when he was young to help mold him into a leader. after drafting AD, that was the time to give some old vet a 2 year deal that he doesn't really deserve, but you give it to him simply so he can help AD mature into the league. Finding a way to add a guy like Tyson Chandler, especially when shite was hitting the fan with the Knicks, they should have tried to get him to come back. I doubt he was ever going to come back to New Orleans, but the point remains the same that someone of that caliber character needed to be around AD early on.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 7:02 am to BigPerm30
Not resigning Boogie to the max might be one of the smartest things Demps has done.
As many pointed out, Asik costing us two first rounds picks, one to get him and one to ship him. I thought it was a good trade the first go around, but you could clearly see he wasn't the same player he was in Houston. He should have never been given that contract. Pretty sure we were just bidding against ourselves that year. They had min players available that year like Biyombo that could have been had just to fill those minutes on a short contract to keep flexability.
The Hill contract is second. I still can't believe we gave what 12 million a year to someone that averaged what 4-5 points a game after one decent playoff series? Ridiculous. Everyone in the entire NBA said that was one of the worse if not the worse given out that summer right after the ink was dry.
Cant blame him for the EG trade. He was the main asset from the Chris Paul trade and was viewed as a young top 5 sg at the time. You jus couldn't let him walk for nothing. Not sure the Suns were even willing to do a s&t at the time. They were just trying to steal an asset. And it wasn't like our team had a bunch of young talent.
Hindsight is you know 50/50, but making that Jrue trade might have killed the franchise. I remember reading that Dell was infactuated with the Greek freak that year. If he woulda trusted his gut and moved down a bit and drafted him instead of trading 2 firsts for Jrue, the course of this franchise would be totally diferent. Plus it took what 4 years before Jrue finally got over injuries and mediocre play to get to where he is now.
And agree with the person about the Heild draft. Taking Murray over Heild was stupid. Murray had the higher ceiling and it was obvious his playing style would have been a better fit with Jrue in the backcourt than with Heild. And Murray is the type player you could package with a 1st and get a superstar player if one would have to become available.
As many pointed out, Asik costing us two first rounds picks, one to get him and one to ship him. I thought it was a good trade the first go around, but you could clearly see he wasn't the same player he was in Houston. He should have never been given that contract. Pretty sure we were just bidding against ourselves that year. They had min players available that year like Biyombo that could have been had just to fill those minutes on a short contract to keep flexability.
The Hill contract is second. I still can't believe we gave what 12 million a year to someone that averaged what 4-5 points a game after one decent playoff series? Ridiculous. Everyone in the entire NBA said that was one of the worse if not the worse given out that summer right after the ink was dry.
Cant blame him for the EG trade. He was the main asset from the Chris Paul trade and was viewed as a young top 5 sg at the time. You jus couldn't let him walk for nothing. Not sure the Suns were even willing to do a s&t at the time. They were just trying to steal an asset. And it wasn't like our team had a bunch of young talent.
Hindsight is you know 50/50, but making that Jrue trade might have killed the franchise. I remember reading that Dell was infactuated with the Greek freak that year. If he woulda trusted his gut and moved down a bit and drafted him instead of trading 2 firsts for Jrue, the course of this franchise would be totally diferent. Plus it took what 4 years before Jrue finally got over injuries and mediocre play to get to where he is now.
And agree with the person about the Heild draft. Taking Murray over Heild was stupid. Murray had the higher ceiling and it was obvious his playing style would have been a better fit with Jrue in the backcourt than with Heild. And Murray is the type player you could package with a 1st and get a superstar player if one would have to become available.
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 7:28 am
Posted on 1/22/19 at 7:59 am to Townedrunkard
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Hindsight is you know 50/50,
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:19 am to Townedrunkard
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And Murray is the type player you could package with a 1st and get a superstar player if one would have to become available.
This is funny, you know, because that’s exactly what happened with Buddy Hield.
I love this board’s infatuation with Jamal Murray over Buddy Hield. 3 years into their careers, everyone is still claiming “higher ceiling” because as of right now, Buddy Hield is the better basketball player.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:26 am to Townedrunkard
If he was obsessed with Giannis, my god how different this franchise would look...
AD and Giannis and get a facilitator like we had in Rondo, the league would be in trouble
AD and Giannis and get a facilitator like we had in Rondo, the league would be in trouble
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:26 am to ShamelessPel
I guess it is the Nuggets record and attention, but Buddy really is having a great year.
Leading the team in scoring on 20ppg on 48% and 46% from three on nearly 8 threes a game.
His shooting is Ray Allen esque. The biggest issue with Buddy and the Pels is it was always a questionable fit next to Jrue.
Leading the team in scoring on 20ppg on 48% and 46% from three on nearly 8 threes a game.
His shooting is Ray Allen esque. The biggest issue with Buddy and the Pels is it was always a questionable fit next to Jrue.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:57 am to BigPerm30
quote:
Biggest Mistake by Demps
This thread could go on for about 30 pages
Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:06 am to Fun Bunch
It could, but I have to wonder how he would be as a GM moving forward.
If he learned from those mistakes and now wouldn't make them again, do you fire a guy who would be good moving forward because of the sins of his past?
He has been able to accept sunk cost in recent years (Boogie). He has been more frugal with moving the pick (in early years he gave it up for Bayless, Jack, etc. Now he only does it for needle movers AND you have to take a bad contract)
Personally, if he really has learned and would be good moving forward, I would chalk up the past mistakes to learning lessons and wouldn't see the logic in firing a guy for past mistakes that he won't do again.
If he learned from those mistakes and now wouldn't make them again, do you fire a guy who would be good moving forward because of the sins of his past?
He has been able to accept sunk cost in recent years (Boogie). He has been more frugal with moving the pick (in early years he gave it up for Bayless, Jack, etc. Now he only does it for needle movers AND you have to take a bad contract)
Personally, if he really has learned and would be good moving forward, I would chalk up the past mistakes to learning lessons and wouldn't see the logic in firing a guy for past mistakes that he won't do again.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:15 am to Crewz
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Personally, if he really has learned and would be good moving forward, I would chalk up the past mistakes to learning lessons and wouldn't see the logic in firing a guy for past mistakes that he won't do again.
It’s not just the giving up picks though. It’s being gifted a top 5 talent and not being able to surround him with the right complementary pieces for 7 years. It’s continually flawed roster construction. It’s an entire roster without enough/any ball handlers, wings, or gravity shooters. There is absolutely no reason this team’s fortune should rise and fall with a guy like Elfrid Payton.
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 9:18 am
Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:21 am to NOFOX
quote:It's also not working with his coaches to build a roster. The roster he built for Monty was done so almost in spite of Monty. Demps brought in the players he wanted, not those that fit the style needed.
It’s not just the giving up picks though. It’s being gifted a top 5 talent and not being able to surround him with the right complementary pieces for 7 years. It’s continually flawed roster construction. It’s an entire roster without enough/any ball handlers, wings, or gravity shooters. There is absolutely no reason this team’s fortune should rise and fall with a guy like Elfrid Payton.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:21 am to NOFOX
quote:
Biggest mistake that had the biggest impact in my mind was hiring Gentry. Just a really dumb hire.
Gentry was a safe hire, but there wasn’t a lot of options available. The unfortunate part about going on that run and winning last year was that there was a difference making coach shockingly available this year and we couldn’t court him.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:32 am to NOFOX
He tried to get more ball handlers.. The original plan was to bring Rondo back and have Elfrid run the 2nd team before Rondo decided to be a bitch and leave over 350k.. Then Boogie leaving even though he was offered way more than the Warriors paid him threw another wrench in the plan.. Realistically our roster should have been:
Rondo/Payton/Frazier
Jrue/Frank/Clark
Moore/Miller/Wes
AD/Niko/Diallo/Hill
Boogie/Okafor
Then we probably would/could have felt more comfortable flipping the 1st, Hill and Wes, for someone like Bazemore and Dedmon to shore up our 2 weaknesses and not have to rush Boogie back
Rondo/Payton/Frazier
Jrue/Frank/Clark
Moore/Miller/Wes
AD/Niko/Diallo/Hill
Boogie/Okafor
Then we probably would/could have felt more comfortable flipping the 1st, Hill and Wes, for someone like Bazemore and Dedmon to shore up our 2 weaknesses and not have to rush Boogie back
Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:37 am to Soggymoss
Right, but at some point you have to make a move. It obviously hasn't paid off, but look at how aggressive the Grizzlies were getting Temple and Holiday. I assume the story is Demps wanted every asset available to go for a homerun move, but would trading a future 2nd to bring in another ball handler really have stopped you from getting a Beal if that ever materialized?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:37 am to BigPerm30
Many good "Biggest mistakes by Demps" described in this thread.
He's made many bad mistakes.
One mistake I haven't seen listed that has bothered me, is that I think the Pels overplayed Cousins in 2017-18 season, contributing to his ruptured achilles.
Cousins was playing the most minutes per game of his career at the fastest pace of his career. The pace for Sacramento in the last years that Cousins played there was among the slowest in league. The Pels pace in 2017-18 was among the fastest in the league. Here's Cousins' minutes in reverse order in the 10 games before his injury. 29.58, 51.30, 39.06, 35.11, 42.36, 44.57, 36.11, 40.09, 40.01, 38.46.
Right after he was hurt I remember Gentry being asked if Cousins was overplayed and he responded with something like "Well, he (Cousins) wanted to play". Golly gee, that makes it ok then.
IMO the team (management and coaching) should have protected Cousins a bit more by having a plan in place to manage his time, as well as the time of all our star players, even if it meant losing some games.
If Cousins had not gotten hurt and we signed him to a max contract, as expected, it would have dramatically changed the trajectory of the team, likely in a very positive way.
Of course, Cousins could have ruptured his achilles playing a lot fewer minutes, so we'll never know, but I believe that "I'd better win now or I'll lose my job" pressure has led to a shortsighted approach to managing our players time. And of course, as has been described by others, other bad management decisions.
He's made many bad mistakes.
One mistake I haven't seen listed that has bothered me, is that I think the Pels overplayed Cousins in 2017-18 season, contributing to his ruptured achilles.
Cousins was playing the most minutes per game of his career at the fastest pace of his career. The pace for Sacramento in the last years that Cousins played there was among the slowest in league. The Pels pace in 2017-18 was among the fastest in the league. Here's Cousins' minutes in reverse order in the 10 games before his injury. 29.58, 51.30, 39.06, 35.11, 42.36, 44.57, 36.11, 40.09, 40.01, 38.46.
Right after he was hurt I remember Gentry being asked if Cousins was overplayed and he responded with something like "Well, he (Cousins) wanted to play". Golly gee, that makes it ok then.
IMO the team (management and coaching) should have protected Cousins a bit more by having a plan in place to manage his time, as well as the time of all our star players, even if it meant losing some games.
If Cousins had not gotten hurt and we signed him to a max contract, as expected, it would have dramatically changed the trajectory of the team, likely in a very positive way.
Of course, Cousins could have ruptured his achilles playing a lot fewer minutes, so we'll never know, but I believe that "I'd better win now or I'll lose my job" pressure has led to a shortsighted approach to managing our players time. And of course, as has been described by others, other bad management decisions.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:42 am to sportsfan225
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One mistake I haven't seen listed that has bothered me, is that I think the Pels overplayed Cousins in 2017-18 season, contributing to his ruptured achilles.
There was an article out this summer about how last season the Pels used fitness monitoring devices on AD and Jrue and kept track of everything from sleep/rest to diet. They tried to balance out the high minutes load by making sure they were getting enough recovery rest/nutrition. It seemed to work pretty well for AD/Jrue. I'm curious to know if this got implemented after Boogie went down.
quote:
but I believe that "I'd better win now or I'll lose my job" pressure has led to a shortsighted approach to managing our players time. And of course, as has been described by others, other bad management decisions.
They've done a complete 180 on this in the last 2 years and even replaced the football trainer with a doctor. Many fans would argue they're being too cautious now.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:00 am to Crewz
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f he learned from those mistakes and now wouldn't make them again, do you fire a guy who would be good moving forward because of the sins of his past?
Of course you do. In the NBA, they fire GMs and HCs routinely, with much shorter leashes.
Sometimes, you just need a new direction and a different voice. And the Pelicans desperately need that. They need a complete FO overall and fresh eyes to look at the organization critically. It is time to move regardless of what he's learned by failing time and time again here.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:05 am to sportsfan225
Achilles injuries just happen no matter what..
Look at the NFC championship game, 2 guys went down in the 1st quarter with Achilles injuries.. Dez Bryant tore his in the first practice of the year for him..
Look at the NFC championship game, 2 guys went down in the 1st quarter with Achilles injuries.. Dez Bryant tore his in the first practice of the year for him..
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