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re: Brian Windhorst - Pels may be BUYING, not selling at deadline
Posted on 1/10/20 at 1:19 pm to VOR
Posted on 1/10/20 at 1:19 pm to VOR
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My first thought was the Dell Demps syndrome, but I have to believe that Griff, based on his rep and track record, has more foresight than that.
Right???
My exact thought. Veteran can mean a lot of different things, so I’ll hope it’s not the type of vets that Dell was getting for us
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Posted on 1/10/20 at 1:20 pm to htran90
quote:Philly has a bunch of high 2nds (both Knicks and Hawks this year).
It's just an example, obviously. But regardless of Lakers or Philly what assets do they have? Kuzma?
High 2nds have more value than late 1sts, we see it all the time when it comes down to penny pinching as well.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 1:45 pm to Upperdecker
May not be a grizzled vet, but go see if the Wizards would consider giving up Bertans. He is the hottest shooter in the game. The spacing he would give us would be remarkable.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 1:48 pm to 504Voodoo
quote:He's also a very hot target of contenders (and Wizards appear to be playing hard ball).
May not be a grizzled vet, but go see if the Wizards would consider giving up Bertans. He is the hottest shooter in the game. The spacing he would give us would be remarkable.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:01 pm to Upperdecker
I mean as long as we don’t trade any of the Lakers picks or out future first who cares. Use the seconds and the Cleveland protected first to get some talent, sure.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:03 pm to NOSHAU
People hear "Buying" and think "Spending". You can buy stuff at the dollar store. A trade like Miller + Frank + Okafor for MKG or Marvin Williams doesn't cost you any long term assets or even picks, but it does upgrade your roster with a useable vet.
Whatever trade is made shouldn't be very exciting unless they decide to cut bait on Lonzo.
Whatever trade is made shouldn't be very exciting unless they decide to cut bait on Lonzo.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:04 pm to TigerinATL
forgot about Marvin Williams. That would be a great pickup.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:07 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Well also, why are we buying? Would it really be for this season? I would think if we were buying, it would be on an eye to next season, so not sure an expiring does us much (unless we are getting other compensation for helping a team out of the tax).
People hear "Buying" and think "Spending". You can buy stuff at the dollar store. A trade like Miller + Frank + Okafor for MKG or Marvin Williams doesn't cost you any long term assets or even picks, but it does upgrade your roster with a useable vet.
Whatever trade is made shouldn't be very exciting unless they decide to cut bait on Lonzo.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:09 pm to NOSHAU
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I would think if we were buying, it would be on an eye to next season, so not sure an expiring does us much (unless we are getting other compensation for helping a team out of the tax).
That would be the case if we were giving something up.
If you trade away Miller and expirings for a vet expiring, then that was just a this year upgrade, which means they want to win now without giving anything up.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:27 pm to NOSHAU
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Well also, why are we buying? Would it really be for this season?
Just because they're expiring doesn't mean it's a Win Now only move. You could always use Bird Rights next summer to resign whoever you trade for to a 1 year overpay like we did with Miller this year if the goal was just to have a financial instrument to facilitate trades next season.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:51 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Miller was relative peanuts compared to MKG or Williams. An overpay could cost in the tens of millions for those guys. But, if Gayle gives the green light, it may make sense.
Just because they're expiring doesn't mean it's a Win Now only move. You could always use Bird Rights next summer to resign whoever you trade for to a 1 year overpay like we did with Miller this year if the goal was just to have a financial instrument to facilitate trades next season.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:04 pm to NOSHAU
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MKG
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An overpay could cost in the tens of millions for those guys.
nah, not for him.
he's done making more than 8 to 10MM.
hard to overpay at that price
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:04 pm to NOSHAU
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Miller was relative peanuts compared to MKG or Williams. An overpay could cost in the tens of millions for those guys.
I’m not sure if you’ve looked how they are doing now, but no one is paying either of these guys tens of millions, even on an overpay.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:07 pm to Baron
quote:Was anyone paying Miller $15 million over 2 years? He was basically a league minimum type of player. The advantage of having bird rights (as Tiger said above) is to pay them whatever we want over the cap. If they are already making $13 million a year, I would not think the player would consider under $8 million an overpay as suggested (although that is more than I would want to pay for them). We would not be signing them for their on the court value based on that suggestion.
I’m not sure if you’ve looked how they are doing now, but no one is paying either of these guys tens of millions, even on an overpay.
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:10 pm to NOSHAU
Williams might be harder to keep on a 1 year overpay, but I doubt MKG even gets the MLE on the market. Not shooting 3s is hard to overcome in today’s game.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:13 pm to TigerinATL
quote:I doubt he gets the MLE either. However, if you are talking an overpay, it would not be less than the MLE. Look at what Miller got to use his contract as a potential trade piece. That was well over his playing value.
Williams might be harder to keep on a 1 year overpay, but I doubt MKG even gets the MLE on the market. Not shooting 3s is hard to overcome in today’s game.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:18 pm to NOSHAU
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Was anyone paying Miller $15 million over 2 years?
one year, 7.25MM.
his 2nd year in non guaranteed
miller is/was a salary slot, nothing more
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:20 pm to NOSHAU
Right, but a $10-$12 million expiring is fine as a trade piece. I’m not sure why you want to small time an expiring the following year anyway. The guys MM talked about going after with Miller and Moore to give the Pels another expiring contract to trade next year weren’t making under $10 million anyway.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:21 pm to NOSHAU
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He's also a very hot target of contenders (and Wizards appear to be playing hard ball).
wizards are in pit of misery due to wall injury and salary. They must do miracles.
They have a whole month to hear offers. Thats not hard ball. They are taking calls. Theyll get back to you in February.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:31 pm to TigerinATL
quote:$10-$12 makes more sense than less than MLE.
Right, but a $10-$12 million expiring is fine as a trade piece. I’m not sure why you want to small time an expiring the following year anyway. The guys MM talked about going after with Miller and Moore to give the Pels another expiring contract to trade next year weren’t making under $10 million anyway.
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