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re: How worthless are the Pels picks?
Posted on 5/17/23 at 3:54 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 5/17/23 at 3:54 pm to TigerinATL
To get into 3 or 4, Zion or Bi would likely have to be going out. That’s a non-starter. Maybe Herb-Trey + picks, but that kind of consolidation of talent into an unproven asset is not smart.
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Posted on 5/17/23 at 3:59 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:I don't think it will be desperation, but I think he looks to move the pick for a veteran. Not sure he or Willie would want another young player on the roster to develop. Wouldn't surprise me if Griffin takes another run at Collins although I do not see him as the answer at the 5. Not sure who else he could target.
I can't imagine a universe where Griffin and Co aren't desperately trying to move this pick, future picks, and multiple players to upgrade with vets.
I have to think this offseason is a bit of desperation mode for them
Posted on 5/17/23 at 4:16 pm to NOSHAU
move the pick for a veteran?
who is this veteran replacing, and what position is he playing?
There's 8 guys on the team right now that are playing playoff minutes for us, and that's not including Dyson or Naji.
You want to replace veteran Larry with veteran xyz?
or you just want to add a veteran using Kira/Billy/GT salaries?
someone give me an example of what trading away the pick for a veteran looks like.
who is this veteran replacing, and what position is he playing?
There's 8 guys on the team right now that are playing playoff minutes for us, and that's not including Dyson or Naji.
You want to replace veteran Larry with veteran xyz?
or you just want to add a veteran using Kira/Billy/GT salaries?
someone give me an example of what trading away the pick for a veteran looks like.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 4:18 pm to TigerinATL
I’m worried they will have several teams like Dallas, Portland and Houston who have already have been reported as wanting to move their pick for veteran help. May force us to keep the puck if no good offers.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 4:24 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:I can see Griffin/Willie wanting a veteran bench player rather than adding another rookie. With Zion, BI, Trey, Herb, Jose, Kira (if he stays), Daniels, Jones, Naji and possibly Liddell and/or Matkovic, all being 25 or younger and many with only a few seasons of experience each, I can see them wanting to add a more experienced player to the roster. They likely could use a big to replace Hayes and provide depth or a perimeter player who can hit the 3.
move the pick for a veteran?
who is this veteran replacing, and what position is he playing?
There's 8 guys on the team right now that are playing playoff minutes for us, and that's not including Dyson or Naji.
You want to replace veteran Larry with veteran xyz?
or you just want to add a veteran using Kira/Billy/GT salaries?
someone give me an example of what trading away the pick for a veteran looks like.
This post was edited on 5/17/23 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 5/17/23 at 4:33 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
move the pick for a veteran? who is this veteran replacing, and what position is he playing? There's 8 guys on the team right now that are playing playoff minutes for us, and that's not including Dyson or Naji. You want to replace veteran Larry with veteran xyz? or you just want to add a veteran using Kira/Billy/GT salaries? someone give me an example of what trading away the pick for a veteran looks like.
Yeah I don’t see it. The only salaries they would trade to get a veteran and stay under the tax is Kira and JV. That’s ~21m in outgoing salary but you’re trading your starting center here so the only move i see is for another center. I have a bad feeling we’re going to trade JV Kira and 14 for capela
Posted on 5/17/23 at 4:39 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
move the pick for a veteran?
who is this veteran replacing, and what position is he playing?
I'm not quite sure where everyone fits in the rotation, but if I could force a JV + 2 1sts + filler through it'd be the Pels getting something like Duren/Bogdonavic
Bogdonovic is a little bit redundant, but you need him to be because of your injury prone stars. When fully healthy you could go 5 out with CJ/Bogdonavic/Trey/BI/Zion. Talk about space, who do you leave to double someone if you're the defense?
But I made this thread because I just don't see the trade market being there. Between the Gobert trade and the Play In killing the number of sellers, it's just a lot more expensive to make a deal.
This post was edited on 5/17/23 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 5/17/23 at 4:45 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
I'm not quite sure where everyone fits in the rotation, but if I could force a JV + 2 1sts + filler through it'd be the Pels getting something like Duren/Bogdonavic
That would be a dream but with them not getting wemby there’s no way they do that
Posted on 5/17/23 at 5:11 pm to NOSHAU
again, give me an example of this bench veteran, and why are we having to give up the 14th pick for him? I'd rather give up Kira/Billy, or Nance than the 14th pick. I like Larry, but the dude has missed 20+ games in 5 of his 8 seasons in the league, and at least 15 in the other 3.
I think it's obvious we need a rim protecting big on this team, and i also think we need a guy that can come off the bench that can score/shoot.
Kira and Billy have no need to be on this team going forward. I highly doubt we resign Jax, and if no one offers him anythign in RFA, then he's worthless in a S&T.
Here's an example:
Send Kira/Larry/Billy to the Raptors.
Gary Trent Jr. opts into his player option, get him back and Koloko, and give GTJ an extension.
give Liddell the minimum. Draft Derrick Lively.
after all of that, you are sitting at 13 guys on the roster and $158M in salaries, which would be enough to get to minimum deals.
or
you send JV and 14 to Washington for Gafford (maybe another 1st if needed), in hopes that Washington wants to use 8 and 14 to get up to say 5.
That's not a veteran, but that's a better fit at the 5.
I think it's obvious we need a rim protecting big on this team, and i also think we need a guy that can come off the bench that can score/shoot.
Kira and Billy have no need to be on this team going forward. I highly doubt we resign Jax, and if no one offers him anythign in RFA, then he's worthless in a S&T.
Here's an example:
Send Kira/Larry/Billy to the Raptors.
Gary Trent Jr. opts into his player option, get him back and Koloko, and give GTJ an extension.
give Liddell the minimum. Draft Derrick Lively.
after all of that, you are sitting at 13 guys on the roster and $158M in salaries, which would be enough to get to minimum deals.
or
you send JV and 14 to Washington for Gafford (maybe another 1st if needed), in hopes that Washington wants to use 8 and 14 to get up to say 5.
That's not a veteran, but that's a better fit at the 5.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 5:16 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:I just don't understand sending 1 or 2 1sts to get worse at the center position?
you send JV and 14 to Washington for Gafford (maybe another 1st if needed)
Gafford is technically the better fit, but I'm not convinced we are overall better with Gafford in over Val. Definitely not convinced that we're 1-2 1sts better with Gafford over Val.
For example, if we're thinking to give up 1sts because he's a better fit for us, what if Washington thinks Val is a better fit for them? Why are we giving up 1sts if both teams feel each dude is a better fit for our own team?
This post was edited on 5/17/23 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 5/17/23 at 5:50 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
you send JV and 14 to Washington for Gafford (maybe another 1st if needed), in hopes that Washington wants to use 8 and 14 to get up to say 5. That's not a veteran, but that's a better fit at the 5
There’s no way the difference between JV and gafford is the 14th pick. Gafford has never averaged more than 20 mpg and fouls like crazy.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 11:45 pm to TeddyPadillac
Washington is not taking JV to play next to Kristaps, and we’re not attaching a pick to JV to get worse at the center position
We need to hope Atlanta does some dumb shite like make Onkongwu available because their roster is getting really expensive
Otherwise our options for potential center upgrades are looking pretty sketchy
We need to hope Atlanta does some dumb shite like make Onkongwu available because their roster is getting really expensive
Otherwise our options for potential center upgrades are looking pretty sketchy
Posted on 5/17/23 at 11:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Where do you come up with this? JV and maybe 2 1sts for Gafford? I really like Gafford, but that is a MASSIVE overpay. And what do you get for Kira and Hernangomez that does anything for your team? Even if you throw in Nance, do you think the Raptors would give up Trent and Koloko for that?
again, give me an example of this bench veteran, and why are we having to give up the 14th pick for him? I'd rather give up Kira/Billy, or Nance than the 14th pick. I like Larry, but the dude has missed 20+ games in 5 of his 8 seasons in the league, and at least 15 in the other 3.
I think it's obvious we need a rim protecting big on this team, and i also think we need a guy that can come off the bench that can score/shoot.
Kira and Billy have no need to be on this team going forward. I highly doubt we resign Jax, and if no one offers him anythign in RFA, then he's worthless in a S&T.
Here's an example:
Send Kira/Larry/Billy to the Raptors.
Gary Trent Jr. opts into his player option, get him back and Koloko, and give GTJ an extension.
give Liddell the minimum. Draft Derrick Lively.
after all of that, you are sitting at 13 guys on the roster and $158M in salaries, which would be enough to get to minimum deals.
or
you send JV and 14 to Washington for Gafford (maybe another 1st if needed), in hopes that Washington wants to use 8 and 14 to get up to say 5.
That's not a veteran, but that's a better fit at the 5.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 7:28 am to NOSHAU
quote:
JV and maybe 2 1sts for Gafford
sorry i was thinking about Claxton when talking about Gafford. I'd still like Gafford though. but i would agree 2 firsts is a big overpay. I'd still rather him over JV on this team.
quote:
And what do you get for Kira and Hernangomez that does anything for your team?
They are worthless to us other than for salary filler. Toronto may not mind kicking the can a young PG who they seemed slightly interested in at the trade deadline.
quote:
Even if you throw in Nance, do you think the Raptors would give up Trent and Koloko for that?
Well they have no control over Trent. He can opt out and be an UFA, and i don't think he wants to be in Toronto anymore, and they don't seem to like Koloko despite the team being much better defensively with him on the court than off. If he opts in with the promise we give him an extension, then he can be traded with Koloko. If he doesn't opt in, then we'd have to have salary space to sign him, or do a S&T. Regardless, Toronto isn't giving him up. It's not their choice, it's Trent's. Toronto can either lose him for nothing or try to get something back for him.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 7:48 am to TeddyPadillac
it sucks but i think our best option is to sit tight, draft someone who can solve a need like Dereck Lively, make moves around the edges like cut Willy and bring in Karlo and EJ. See if you can bring back Josh Richardson for cheap and see if you can trade Naji for a shooter. Then at the deadline there will inevitably be a seller and you can use JV and Kira's expirings plus picks to bring in some more help.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:12 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:There ya go, on the flip side, I'd give up 2 1sts with the quickness to swap JVal for Claxton.
sorry i was thinking about Claxton when talking about Gafford. I'd still like Gafford though. but i would agree 2 firsts is a big overpay. I'd still rather him over JV on this team.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 10:06 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:OK, that makes a lot more sense. Gafford is the type I would like to get to split time with JV. His salary is $12.4 million so it would take some creativity (i.e. Kira, Billy and Naji plus 14). That may be something that neither team would consider.
sorry i was thinking about Claxton when talking about Gafford. I'd still like Gafford though. but i would agree 2 firsts is a big overpay. I'd still rather him over JV on this team.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 12:51 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Black, Dick,
Posted on 5/18/23 at 1:00 pm to rondo
quote:
quote:
Black, Dick,
i actually typed it out Dick, Wallace and Black at first and then stopped and realized my mistake.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 1:16 pm to TeddyPadillac
Hmmmm interesting autocorrect, anything you wanna share???
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