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re: Is this when you shop Zion?
Posted on 12/24/25 at 6:43 am to Soggymoss
Posted on 12/24/25 at 6:43 am to Soggymoss
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A reporter a week or so ago said Zion sat down with the team, the coaching staff and front office and asked them to please give him a chance to get himself right and prove to them he can be the guy.
that's nice and all, but this doesn't prevent his propensity for injury, which we all know too well...
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That shows commitment to wanting to be here, and coming back from that injury 2 weeks ahead of schedule shows he’s making that commitment to try to be better, along with coming off the bench and doing it happily, while dominating 4th quarters. That’s what Dumars and Co wanted to see from him, and what will keep him in NOLA
again, it's a nice thought, and would be a nice story, but bro, we are almost 7 years in with this guy... if this was year 2 or 3, or even 4, then yeah, i'd be on board... but we've been burned so many times with this guy, we've invested so much time and energy and it's been pretty one sided, that even if he's "bought in" now, it's just too little, too late for me...
personally, i think that both sides, him and the team, are trying to get his trade value up, and want the eventual split to be amicable...
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Posted on 12/24/25 at 9:01 am to WhoKnows
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we've invested so much time and energy and it's been pretty one sided, that even if he's "bought in" now, it's just too little, too late for me
Agreed but value matters. Z is putting up 25pts off the bench in 25min. Meanwhile 2-3 late 1st might ride the bench or put up abysmal stats. It might be more advantageous to have Z for 40-50 games and a chance to have him for playoffs than to have (3) late 1sts that don't move the needle or aren't playable in the postseason.
Love it or hate it Z still has more upside in that scenario.
If we trade him it has to be for a young asset(s) to pair with Queen/ Fears or a bigger trade with a high impact player coming back and us sending out the picks from the team acquiring Z.
We have no cap space if we get rid of his $40mil. Trading him for expirings and late 1sts without a plan to add a long term asset using his salary is no bueno.
Posted on 12/24/25 at 11:02 am to Dantheman504
I don’t think trading Zion for expirings is a bad idea. That 40 extra million in cap space can help with more deals to take on other teams players they want to get rid of and that would require them to give us first round picks as well. That is something that is long term thinking.
Posted on 12/24/25 at 11:13 am to Macintosh
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That 40 extra million in cap space can help with more deals to take on other teams players they want to get rid of and that would require them to give us first round picks as well.
Trading him doesn’t create 40 million in cap space.
Posted on 12/24/25 at 11:31 am to DeltaLove
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Trading him doesn’t create 40 million in cap space.
Why? serious question. Is it because of his contact set up with incentives?
If they move Zion, what would that free up for the Pelicans. Say we do not take back any salary (expiring contracts)
Posted on 12/24/25 at 11:39 am to Dantheman504
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It might be more advantageous to have Z for 40-50 games
he's played this many games in 2 out his 5+ seasons here...
and we would be paying a lot of money for a half a season player...
again, i just think that a split is better for everyone involved, b/c yeah, everyone is happy with him right now b/c he's putting up numbers, what happens when that hamstring goes out again, b/c trust and believe, it will go out again.. how long will he be out then? 3 weeks? 2 months? that's the problem... he's very injury prone and his injuries take him off the court for long stretches... you can't count on a guy like that, especially with his salary...
Posted on 12/24/25 at 12:06 pm to WhoKnows
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he's very injury prone and his injuries take him off the court for long stretches... you can't count on a guy like that, especially with his salary.
You don't count on him. That's the point, He's already coming off the bench. You build the team in spite of him and if he sticks then so be it.
I actually laid this out almost exactly how its currently playing out in the beginning of the season.
Pels were already thinking about trading Z and getting picks back. Taking a swing on Queen and getting Z's replacement while he's still here was the goal and was executed perfectly.
Yes it was ballsy but Dumars definitely wasn't getting a shot at this anywhere else so why not say F it?
If it works out you now have many options for trades and many options for the roster construction if Z or others fit. It also gives you leverage because you aren't forced to trade Z for pennies now that you still have depth and talented assets.
It was one of those really dumb or really genius moves depending on how it played out. Right now its pushing genius.
quote:If the scenario is late 1sts then it doesn't matter. What if the 1sts play 82 games and are terrible? Does that help for the post season or on court chemistry? Even Zion on a bad night can be an elite spacer and creator for a contender and that's valuable. Missing 60 games and being available for the playoffs matters to a team that can sustain without him on a nightly basis.
it will go out again.. how long will he be out then? 3 weeks? 2 months? that's the problem..
Posted on 12/24/25 at 2:04 pm to Split2874
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Why? serious question. Is it because of his contact set up with incentives?
The Pels always operate as an over the cap team but we don't go into the luxury tax. So trading Zion just for an expiring wouldn't give us his salary in cap space it would just put us a few Million under the cap which would be a bad thing for the way we have to build a team, because it limits your options in players you can trade for.
Posted on 12/24/25 at 2:27 pm to heatwave
No, his value will be much higher at the trade deadline if he's healthy. It's pointless to talk about it right now. And his value might be higher in the off-season, although that's less certain.
Posted on 12/24/25 at 2:37 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:not if that $40MM guarantees
And his value might be higher in the off-season,
Posted on 12/24/25 at 4:40 pm to Soggymoss
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A reporter a week or so ago said Zion sat down with the team, the coaching staff and front office and asked them to please give him a chance to get himself right and prove to them he can be the guy.
To be “the guy”? What does that mean? He isn’t “the guy” and never will be. He won’t ever be healthier than he is right now. As he ages it gets worse. Like someone here pointed out are we going to pay him $40-50 million or so to be a 6th man? That doesn’t make sense.
This post was edited on 12/24/25 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 12/25/25 at 6:16 pm to heatwave
quote:If you can find a team, you do it immediately. Yesterday, today, tomorrow... Any time before he inevitably gets hurt again.
Is this when you shop Zion?
Posted on 12/25/25 at 6:17 pm to Soggymoss
quote:And why would any believe that?
A reporter a week or so ago said Zion sat down with the team, the coaching staff and front office and asked them to please give him a chance to get himself right and prove to them he can be the guy.
quote:Don't do this to yourself. You know how this will end.
That shows commitment to wanting to be here, and coming back from that injury 2 weeks ahead of schedule shows he’s making that commitment to try to be better
Posted on 12/25/25 at 6:21 pm to Dantheman504
quote:If we can get something of value for him, that's great.
We have no cap space if we get rid of his $40mil. Trading him for expirings and late 1sts without a plan to add a long term asset using his salary is no bueno.
But Zion and his salary off of this team is better than Zion and his salary on this team going forward.
Posted on 12/25/25 at 6:24 pm to DeltaLove
quote:It would for 2027-2028.
Trading him doesn’t create 40 million in cap space
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