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re: Lakers pick deferred to 2025
Posted on 5/31/24 at 10:15 pm to VanillaExpress
Posted on 5/31/24 at 10:15 pm to VanillaExpress
quote:they won regardless
but I see a bunch saying they won the AD trade because of the Pels deferring the pick. I don’t understand how it really has any relevance with who won the trade as the Pelicans still get a pick in a much better dr
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Posted on 5/31/24 at 10:32 pm to PUB
This is what happens when you have football people running a basketball team. They go with a known name instead of an insightful educated researched hire.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 11:21 pm to Townedrunkard
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If Griff trades Ball for Lauri and drafts Garland at 4, id say we easily win that trade.
Lets just say hindsight:
2019: Williamson, Garland
- Williamson hurt, Garland comes off the bench.
2020: We definitely don't need a guard. but we suck at center, so we go for Isaiah Stewart instead. We skip over going for steven adams.
2021: We still go for TM3, but we can't trade back to get JV since we're better than our "10th spot". S&T Ball for Lauri because we need spacing with stewart being the 'defensive stalwart' center. Herb Jones gets his shine still.
2022: Still had to get CJ in the trade deadline, pushing him to "6th man". BPA is still Dyson Daniels (Lakers pick). We don't go stupid and trade for Graham the season before though, so that pick still exists. The reality is, our pick is now in the 20s. Fine at the wing. fine at guard. fine at PF, but we need another defensive center who's actually got size. income: kessler
2023: after falling in the 2nd round, its about BPA and they decide to go for Whitmore.
PG: Garland/Daniels/Alvarado
SG: Jones/McCollum/Marshall
SF: Ingram/Murphy/Whitmore
PF: Williamson/Markkanen
C: Stewart/Kessler
fricking loaded
Posted on 6/1/24 at 7:45 am to Pels_Yaz
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We won 49 games, were the 8th seed and we got swept in the first round in Griffs 5th year in charge. Our stars are always injured. I never said its trainwreck but its mediocrity at its finest. Lets not sugarcoat it either.
And yet you blame Griffin.
As if he is responsible for Zion getting hurt RIGHT before the playoffs.
Hey moron we will go as far as Zion will take us - and we’d be MORONS not to ride with Zion and find out since Zion is a generational talent.
We will see what happens. If Zion is great, then we will be also.
If he stays a freak talent often injured, then we’ll be right where we are.
But we are riding it out with our freak NBA player, and how it plays out no one knows.
The pissing and moaning on here. Pathetic Karens.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 8:04 am to hkc
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This is what happens when you have football people running a basketball team. They go with a known name instead of an insightful educated researched hire.
We have businessmen running both teams.. nobody in Gayles circle cares about winning
Posted on 6/1/24 at 8:07 am to JS87
If you not judging the trade on Chips, I’m not sure you thinking objectively
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:45 am to J_Hingle
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They did win the trade, BI is a bum and the pelicans haven’t done shite since the trade
Neither have the lakers
Posted on 6/1/24 at 11:03 am to TigerBait2008
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Neither have the lakers
They won a championship and have won other playoff series since the trade.
The best pelicans have done is push the suns to 6 games in the first round.
Again we let our “lakers hate” cloud our judgement in regards what team has been more successful since the trade.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:19 pm to P bean
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And yet you blame Griffin. As if he is responsible for Zion getting hurt RIGHT before the playoffs.
Hes had 5 years to get this right. He hired a head trainer that he fired, is on his third head coach, and we know Zion has injury issues yet this team is still not sustainable without him. He is responsible for this franchise success or lack of it. Zion getting injured is not a new surprise or an excuse.
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Hey moron we will go as far as Zion will take us - and we’d be MORONS not to ride with Zion and find out since Zion is a generational talent. We will see what happens. If Zion is great, then we will be also.
Hey we know this shite already- that doesn’t mean Griffin is still not responsible for the lack of success for this team. Thank you for stating the obvious.
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The pissing and moaning on here. Pathetic Karens.
You’re the one getting on a sports message board complaining about people pissing and moaning. When we’re just having discussions.
You’re sitting here calling people morons and Karens. I always find it funny the “actual” Karens like yourself have no idea that you’re exactly the poster you complain about. Get a mirror KAREN!!
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:37 pm to Pels_Yaz
How did we “lose” the trade when we were forced by AD to trade him and got one of the biggest returns for a single player in NBA history?
Posted on 6/1/24 at 1:41 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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How did we “lose” the trade when we were forced by AD to trade him and got one of the biggest returns for a single player in NBA history?
Because winning a trade is not determined strictly by the reasons for the trade or at the time what assets were received.
As years go by since the trade, winning, and specifically the success of the players and team also determine if the trade was a win or loss.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 2:03 pm to Pels_Yaz
No, that is judging how we used those assets. You judge the actual trade between us and another team by the situation we were in at that time. The Lakers gave us more than any other team was willing to give us. We had to trade AD and made the most of it.
If you judge it by your standards, well then it’s still too early because we still have BI and may get a lot in return for him in a trade.
If you judge it by your standards, well then it’s still too early because we still have BI and may get a lot in return for him in a trade.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 2:11 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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You judge the actual trade between us and another team by the situation we were in at that time
No you can’t strictly judge it like that. Several trades in NBA history seemed great at the time but ended up a loss later on.
And even if thats the case and we HAD to dump and got assets- they won a championship shortly after. You can’t just ignore that. And please don’t tell me about the mickey mouse championship as it not being valid.
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If you judge it by your standards, well then it’s still too early because we still have BI and may get a lot in return for him in a trade.
I’m judging the trade currently but yes if they dump BI for a star that helps us win a championship I agree we could win the trade. But CURRENTLY, we haven’t won sustainably or anything of consequence. By the way its been 5 years since the trade- I wouldn’t say thats too early.
Also we were building around BI- we can’t act like hes someone we wanted to flip when we got him. BI was suppose to be a KEY piece to us winning the trade.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 6/1/24 at 2:19 pm to Pels_Yaz
The entire argument over who “wins” a trade is silly to begin with is my point. When you are in a situation where you have to trade a star, whatever happens to the other team is irrelevant to your team. You make sure you get the most assets possible out of your trade. That’s it.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 2:22 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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The entire argument over who “wins” a trade is silly to begin with is my point. When you are in a situation where you have to trade a star, whatever happens to the other team is irrelevant to your team. You make sure you get the most assets possible out of your trade. That’s it.
Yeah I can agree to this. Griffin did the best he could at the time- I don’t discount that.
He needs to nail this BI trade though-our chances being a contender really depend on it.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 2:42 pm to VanillaExpress
Who cares who "won the trade"? We didn't have any leverage, AD refused to play and basically forced us to trade him to the Lakers. Yeah no shite we lost. That's why this whole city hates that piece of shite, hates Klutch and Rich Paul, and hates that shitty franchise and all their shitty arse fans, frick em 
EDIT: NBA needs to check player power
EDIT: NBA needs to check player power
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:29 pm to htran90
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2020: We definitely don't need a guard. but we suck at center, so we go for Isaiah Stewart instead. We skip over going for steven adams.
I actually made a thread about this because I was not a fan at all of the Steven Adams trade but if Griff woukd have waited a bit longer, he could have secured Allen at center for about what we gave up for Adams.
I was also the biggest Lauri M guy on the board. We could easily have a nice rotation of Zion Lauri and Allen right now at the 4/5.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/new-orleans-pelicans/jarrett-allen/94764152/
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 6/1/24 at 5:02 pm to JS87
They won a championship since they’ve acquired AD
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Sure it was.
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Sure it was.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 5:49 pm to Patfic15
quote:*******************************************************************
They won a championship** since they’ve acquired AD
Posted on 6/1/24 at 8:19 pm to Rand AlThor
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Who cares who "won the trade"? We didn't have any leverage, AD refused to play and basically forced us to trade him to the Lakers. Yeah no shite we lost. That's why this whole city hates that piece of shite, hates Klutch and Rich Paul, and hates that shitty franchise and all their shitty arse fans, frick em
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