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re: Nance wanting to come back makes Jax expendable.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:00 pm to Jar_Jar_80
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:00 pm to Jar_Jar_80
quote:Well if not, like I've said, he'll have more value to us in a trade than he does playing 12-15 minutes a night
Who has said give Jax 25+ min?
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Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:22 pm to shel311
Jax is the same age and experience level as BI was at the point the Lakers gave up on him. Sometimes teenagers take time.
If I moved on from him it’d have to be for something that is immediately impactful.
If I moved on from him it’d have to be for something that is immediately impactful.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:40 pm to GOP_Tiger
A guy I am very interested in that would fit the culture and is good on the court too is Nemanja Bjelica. If you look to play Trey more at the 3 he’s a good fit but also doesn’t need a ton of minutes
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:44 pm to TigerMan McCoo
quote:
Jax is the same age and experience level as BI was at the point the Lakers gave up on him. Sometimes teenagers take time.
Even less so considering how late he started playing organized basketball.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:48 pm to shel311
I’d still argue Hayes has a better post game because of the touch on his hook shot. Billy is just not good at basketball, he had 9 offensive rebounds against the Kings late regular season because he has absolutely zero touch and was grabbing his own misses and then missing again. That same game, Jaxson had 23 points 12 rebounds on 10-14 shooting and 2/3 from 3. And those were legit rebounds, not stat padding can’t hit a damn shot under the rim even though you’re 7 feet tall rebounds. Jaxson is also good at drawing fouls and pretty consistent at converting his FTs
Posted on 4/29/22 at 10:07 pm to Terrific Tales
quote:
I don’t really view them as similar players at all
They aren’t.
You & GOP nail it. I actually think Hayes is going to be bananas next year. Zion and Nance are getting a lot of minutes together. Means Jonas and Jaxson are going to beat teams up together.
And a lineup with Zion at the 3 with 2 out of 3 three of those guys just exciting to think about it.
This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 4/29/22 at 11:53 pm to Broski
quote:
You're literally too stupid to argue with.
Great response when a guy calls out your random BS claims with actual basketball reasoning
Posted on 4/30/22 at 2:12 am to iwyLSUiwy
NBA Instagram Post
This is a post from official NBA Instagram showing the best bench reactions. Two of the plays are Jaxson Hayes dunks. Might be the most athletic kid in the NBA. If you don’t love Jaxson Hayes, you don’t love Pelicans basketball
This is a post from official NBA Instagram showing the best bench reactions. Two of the plays are Jaxson Hayes dunks. Might be the most athletic kid in the NBA. If you don’t love Jaxson Hayes, you don’t love Pelicans basketball
Posted on 4/30/22 at 5:31 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
I love this board. "Jax is trash and isn't worth keeping as a backup...so trade him for something good."
If he is worthless on O, D, and isn't getting better, who can we trade him for? How will his next contract be too costly?
Why not just trade Snell for something good too? Let's also trade Temple for a guard that would play 25+ minutes in the playoffs and shoot 40% from 3. Let's make our team better guys!!!!!
Jax will be 22 next year. His body and mind should both be maturing. He seems to get along very well with the core. He hasn't progressed as quickly as we had hoped, but that could be a hidden blessing. If he already had higher production, we likely couldn't afford to keep him. With his current valuation, it is quite possible we can get him at a very reasonable rate, when he blossoms into a valuable playoff piece.
If there is a trade that makes sense, he is certainly not untradable...but it is likely that it makes sense to keep him throughout this contract.
If he is worthless on O, D, and isn't getting better, who can we trade him for? How will his next contract be too costly?
Why not just trade Snell for something good too? Let's also trade Temple for a guard that would play 25+ minutes in the playoffs and shoot 40% from 3. Let's make our team better guys!!!!!
Jax will be 22 next year. His body and mind should both be maturing. He seems to get along very well with the core. He hasn't progressed as quickly as we had hoped, but that could be a hidden blessing. If he already had higher production, we likely couldn't afford to keep him. With his current valuation, it is quite possible we can get him at a very reasonable rate, when he blossoms into a valuable playoff piece.
If there is a trade that makes sense, he is certainly not untradable...but it is likely that it makes sense to keep him throughout this contract.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 7:39 am to Milesahead
He’s like… 21? Been playing organised ball for 5 / 6 years?
I swear we have some of the dumbest people on board.
He’s not a polished dominating forward… there aren’t that many out there.
He has an INCREDIBLY high ceiling and elite athleticism and rim protection.
If this franchise has to shown us anything it’s that’s fricking patience pays dividends…
He needs at least a couple more years before this trade talk holds any water.
I swear we have some of the dumbest people on board.
He’s not a polished dominating forward… there aren’t that many out there.
He has an INCREDIBLY high ceiling and elite athleticism and rim protection.
If this franchise has to shown us anything it’s that’s fricking patience pays dividends…
He needs at least a couple more years before this trade talk holds any water.
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 7:40 am
Posted on 4/30/22 at 10:17 am to England_Pelican
quote:That's the issue, we have 1 season left to find out.
He needs at least a couple more years before this trade talk holds any water.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:02 am to whatiknowsofar
10 points, 5 boards, 1 block on 60/35/75 shooting splits for your back up 4/5 is REALLY frickING GOOD PEOPLE.
He may have started games at the end of the season but everyone knows Jax is not a starter yet, he never got starter minutes. Jax is the Zion back up and/or the big in with the second unit and Zion running point.
YOU DON'T SHIP OFF TALENT LIKE JAX UNLESS YOU HAVE TO.
1. We have the space
2. We have enough good players on the bench to keep a project player.
Look, Jax potential is unreal, I don't even want to speculate. Stop trying to ship him off. You want to ship someone off go look at Graham. I use to say he was in the bottom 10% of starting PG's and I was wrong, he wasn't that good.
He may have started games at the end of the season but everyone knows Jax is not a starter yet, he never got starter minutes. Jax is the Zion back up and/or the big in with the second unit and Zion running point.
YOU DON'T SHIP OFF TALENT LIKE JAX UNLESS YOU HAVE TO.
1. We have the space
2. We have enough good players on the bench to keep a project player.
Look, Jax potential is unreal, I don't even want to speculate. Stop trying to ship him off. You want to ship someone off go look at Graham. I use to say he was in the bottom 10% of starting PG's and I was wrong, he wasn't that good.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:22 am to armsdealer
The problem with Jax is the same one it has always been.
If he plays like some of you predict next season, but he finds his foreseeable niche at the 4, he becomes financially untenable with the upcoming extensions of Zion/Herb, plus CJ, Jonas, and BI still on the books, plus a top 10 pick and guys like Nance.
If he can show himself the ability to anchor the 5 against top level competition, something he has not shown so far, then things change drastically.
If he has another season like this one, with flashes but struggles to find consistency and perform against the highest levels with impact, than you probably can bring him back on a reasonable contract, and should.
…if he gets the book thrown at him in June during his sentencing, or the lawsuit exposes a ton more ugliness, all bets are off if he even laces up next season in our uniform.
If he plays like some of you predict next season, but he finds his foreseeable niche at the 4, he becomes financially untenable with the upcoming extensions of Zion/Herb, plus CJ, Jonas, and BI still on the books, plus a top 10 pick and guys like Nance.
If he can show himself the ability to anchor the 5 against top level competition, something he has not shown so far, then things change drastically.
If he has another season like this one, with flashes but struggles to find consistency and perform against the highest levels with impact, than you probably can bring him back on a reasonable contract, and should.
…if he gets the book thrown at him in June during his sentencing, or the lawsuit exposes a ton more ugliness, all bets are off if he even laces up next season in our uniform.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:28 am to England_Pelican
quote:
He has an INCREDIBLY high ceiling and elite athleticism and rim protection.
Elite rim protection?
That's a new one
Go and watch Brandon Clarke's highlights from game 6. That is elite rim protection. The only body Jax has ever caught is his ex's (and frick Jae Crowder)
His defensive instincts are completely inverse to his length and level of athleticism, which is among the elite of the entire world. If he had an ounce of anticipation, he'd be blocking more jumpers than Herb.
0 rebounds in game 6 tells you everything you need to know about him. Without checking stats, I'd put money on him never having taken a charge in his career. I'd also wager his rate of contested rebounds would also be pathetically low for someone with such God given physical gifts.
I agree, physically, his ceiling is incredibly high, but the odds of him ever reaching it are incredibly low. At least any time soon
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:40 am to armsdealer
Honestly… I see Nance being a great thing for Hayes. Less pressure on the kid to be what he isn’t yet and allows the team to continue to develop his game in an organic way instead of being forced to put him in position to fail.
Hayes will be a different player on his 2nd contract and he shouldn’t cost too much. He should end up getting a contract that he’ll eventually over perform.
I’m encouraged by his Per36. Maybe he never reaches it but I have optimism in this staff developing him.
Hayes will be a different player on his 2nd contract and he shouldn’t cost too much. He should end up getting a contract that he’ll eventually over perform.
I’m encouraged by his Per36. Maybe he never reaches it but I have optimism in this staff developing him.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:43 am to Bronc
quote:
If he plays like some of you predict next season, but he finds his foreseeable niche at the 4, he becomes financially untenable with the upcoming extensions of Zion/Herb, plus CJ, Jonas, and BI still on the books, plus a top 10 pick and guys like Nance.
Correct. If Jaxson balls out next season at the 4 with elite 3-pt shooting and perimeter skills, starts to really put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket for dunks, becomes an elite perimeter defender ... then we either trade him at the deadline or work a sign-and-trade at the end of the season.
If he develops as a center by learning to block out and rebound, then we keep him as a potential successor to JV. We sign him to a nice fat contract.
If neither, then he likely stays on an inexpensive new contract as a depth/rotation big.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:54 am to TigerMan McCoo
quote:
Jax is the same age and experience level as BI was at the point the Lakers gave up on him.
That's disingenuous. They wanted AD, so BI had to be expendable.
Griffin saw him as the prize and rightly so
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 11:55 am
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:55 am to Pelefraan 1
quote:
0 rebounds in game 6 tells you everything you need to know about him.
So not getting a rebound while being on the floor with one of the top rebounders in the NBA for an entire 12 minutes of game time tells you everything you need to know about him? Forget the 8pts when he was the only one attacking the rim at the time. Everyone kept passing up "good" for "great" but "great" was "worse".
10pt, 5 rebounds, 60/35/75.
Y'all would cream your fricking pants if we picked up that for our back up 4 and sometimes 5.
Let's compare that to Nance, WHO I LIKE, but everyone is cucking too right now.
7 points, 5 rebounds 50/33/70
I know, not everything shows up in the stats but I don't get the want to RUN OFF JAX. WTF is wrong with you people. If he was wearing a different face you would let him frick your wives to come to the team.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 12:01 pm to armsdealer
Game 6
Jax 8 and 0
Larry 15 and 8
Everyone else relevant on court had at least 3 rebounds. Even CJ and Alvarado.
The 7 foot, genetic freak of a guy playing the 4 couldn't even get a single board in the most important game of the season. That's pathetic and speaks volumes. Imagine Giannis going a game without a rebound? The world would implode on itself.
There is no dog in Jax and not much in the way of basketball skill, either
Jax 8 and 0
Larry 15 and 8
Everyone else relevant on court had at least 3 rebounds. Even CJ and Alvarado.
The 7 foot, genetic freak of a guy playing the 4 couldn't even get a single board in the most important game of the season. That's pathetic and speaks volumes. Imagine Giannis going a game without a rebound? The world would implode on itself.
There is no dog in Jax and not much in the way of basketball skill, either
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 4/30/22 at 12:19 pm to Pelefraan 1
quote:
The 7 foot, genetic freak of a guy playing the 4 couldn't even get a single board in the most important game of the season. That's pathetic and speaks volumes.
No, it doesn't. When Jaxson was in with the starters, it wasn't his job to get DREBs. He was busy quickly leaking out in transition, because he's so effective running the floor.
When Jaxson is on the floor with JV, BI, and Herb, it makes sense for Jaxson to run in transition, because BI and Herb are both excellent at boxing out and getting defensive rebounds.
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