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re: NOP vs OKC
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:12 pm to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:12 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Really nice to see Shai not get those bullshite calls in the 2nd half.
God we just lack talent. Its so apparent with all the injuries.
Why is it always the refs fault?
Pels shot 17 FTs to OKC 16
Fouls were Pels 15 to OKC 17
You were undermanned and just lost. Just bad injury cycle and your team is hit hard by that injury bug
Not directed at you I quoted the wrong poster. Refs were pretty equal tonight
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 9:18 pm
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Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:29 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Wemby just poured in 50 in year two. Zion hasn’t hit 50 and its year 6. frick dude can’t even play 50 games in a season. We won the lottery at the wrong time.
Wemby actually has skill. Zion only has one move in year 6.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:10 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Wemby just poured in 50 in year two. Zion hasn’t hit 50 and its year 6
Zion has only scored 40+ once through 5 years.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 11:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:I think it's twice?
Zion has only scored 40+ once through 5 years.
1 officially since play in games don't count for anything, which is so dumb.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 11:29 pm to shel311
Zion would have to take about 45 shots to hit 50 lmao. He doesn’t shoot 3s.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 12:11 am to J_Hingle
This really seems pointless. We aren't even close to winning usually and when we are we can't close. West will be long out of sight by the time we get healthy and together. Which means we should jettison BI sooner rather than later. I think we are once again seeing he isn't the kind of player that can carry a team. We can't pay him $50 million +.
Zion, I just don't know. It seems less and less likely that he will ever be able to stay healthy enough to anchor a contending team. Can anyone envision him lasting through an 82-game schedule + a tough run to the finals? I can't.
And once you determine that, what's the point? If you are serious about contending you need to tear it down and start again. It's hard to give up on the dream because he has the talent. But it's six years and you are basically held hostage to his health. I prefer a clean break to a slow death. We've got some decent pieces.
Also seems clear Green isn't the kind of coach to get the most out of a team. The end game problems remain, year after year. There doesn't seem to be any kind of plan or system. I'd rather give a Borego a shot at this point.
Zion, I just don't know. It seems less and less likely that he will ever be able to stay healthy enough to anchor a contending team. Can anyone envision him lasting through an 82-game schedule + a tough run to the finals? I can't.
And once you determine that, what's the point? If you are serious about contending you need to tear it down and start again. It's hard to give up on the dream because he has the talent. But it's six years and you are basically held hostage to his health. I prefer a clean break to a slow death. We've got some decent pieces.
Also seems clear Green isn't the kind of coach to get the most out of a team. The end game problems remain, year after year. There doesn't seem to be any kind of plan or system. I'd rather give a Borego a shot at this point.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 3:52 am to New City Champ
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Also seems clear Green isn't the kind of coach to get the most out of a team. The end game problems remain, year after year. There doesn't seem to be any kind of plan or system. I'd rather give a Borego a shot at this point.
I believe that Green is the lowest paid coach in the league. They didn't disclose his new contract, but I saw sources that said his extension was 3Y/3.6M (1.2M a year). That is just obscenely low. Van Gundy was supposedly makes over 4x as much (5M a year). I just think you get what you pay for in some instances. Nice thing though, that is an easy buy out.
I know Murphy just got back from injury and is limited. But we needed more. Once again, for us to have a chance, Ingram needed to have a monster game. That just wasn't it..
Posted on 11/14/24 at 7:05 am to brmark70816
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They didn't disclose his new contract, but I saw sources that said his extension was 3Y/3.6M (1.2M a year). That is just obscenely low.
Just curious where did you see this reported?? I have never seen his contract extension numbers ever come out. I’m not saying you’re wrong but do you remember who reported this?
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I just think you get what you pay for in some instances. Nice thing though, that is an easy buy out.
I get we been really injured so maybe its not totally fair to judge or compare the two situations but Cavs fired their coach despite winning a playoff series and decided to keep their team together with a new head coach and have reaped the rewards. Pels meanwhile gave Willie an extension for losing in the play-in.
Sometimes coaching is a BIGGER part of the problem than what fans or the team want to admit it is.
This post was edited on 11/14/24 at 7:22 am
Posted on 11/14/24 at 7:38 am to OU Guy
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You were undermanned
There is nothing more to take from these games than this, unfortunately. It's not like we're a little short-handed, so guys roles are just shifting slightly. We lost 3 of 4 starters right out the gate. The only "starter" besides BI to be healthy all year is a rookie who was expected to be a project and/or Theis.
People have screamed all season that BI needs to play off-ball more and take more 3s. He spent all off-season working to improve those aspects of his game, then 3 games, at absolutely 0 fault of his own, the entire team gets injured and now everyone wants him to turn back into ball-dominant, take over the game Ingram. It's the same shite every year. BI's efficiency is going to suffer greatly as a result and half the board is going to turn on him for doing exactly what the team is asking him to do.
This post was edited on 11/14/24 at 7:40 am
Posted on 11/14/24 at 7:48 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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People have screamed all season that BI needs to play off-ball more and take more 3s. He spent all off-season working to improve those aspects of his game, then 3 games, at absolutely 0 fault of his own, the entire team gets injured and now everyone wants him to turn back into ball-dominant, take over the game Ingram. It's the same shite every year. BI's efficiency is going to suffer greatly as a result and half the board is going to turn on him for doing exactly what the team is asking him to do.
I think people want him to raise his game in any way he can to make these games more competitive whether hes on ball or off ball. This is not a knock on BI but just a reality of who he is as a player. He’s guy in the right role surrounded by the right players maybe an all star. But take that way- hes not good enough to raise the talent around him to make the team competitive. But to be fair- there aren’t many who can. This is also though a big reason why he didn’t come close to getting the money he asked for as well.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 7:52 am to New City Champ
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I think we are once again seeing he isn't the kind of player that can carry a team.
Exhibit A: We can't win games by surrounding BI with actual D-leaguers, so you can't win with him.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 7:59 am to Pels_Yaz
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Just curious where did you see this reported?? I have never seen his contract extension numbers ever come out. I’m not saying you’re wrong but do you remember who reported this?
I don't. I just Googled it, and the numbers are all over the place, from $1.2-6M a year. Most seem to trend lower, in the sub $2M/year range. I have seen, a few times, the reported 3Y/3.6M deal rumored deal. If that was the case, that's super easy to walk away from. There is a big difference in that deal and something like a $4Y/24M deal. I don't think that Green had a lot of options, so I can somewhat believe the low number. If it's true, I just can't kill the guys too much. There are a bunch of assistants making more than him. The bar shouldn't be set too high..
Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:12 am to Pels_Yaz
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I think people want him to raise his game in any way he can to make these games more competitive whether hes on ball or off ball.
He is, in the first half.
BI isn't Giannis. He can't just go off and score 59 points and lead his team to a win by himself. That doesn't mean BI isn't a good basketball player, but he's got no help, and he's simply not one of the best basketball players of all time like Giannis is.
We have an idiot for a coach who keeps putting Trey in the corner while he asks BI to "make it happen" starting out 40' from the basket with 12 seconds left on the shot clock b/c we've done nothing offensively in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock. Teams are taking it easy defending BI in the first half and he's scoring. Then the second half comes around, they make some adjustments and take it a notch up defensively and we still have no plan to counter after several games when teams start running at BI. We've made zero adjustments to it, and BI has been terrible every second half. You can see by the 4th quarter he's exhuasted b/c he's working so hard just to get off a tough mid range shot or get to the goal on 3 guys. Brandon Boston has been a godsend, and it's crazy to say we'd probably be losing every game by 30-40 if he weren't on the team right now. But Boston is the only other guy handling the ball other than BI, and teams are making them work every second they have the ball in their hands b/c they could care less about everyone else on the court, other than Trey now. Both Brandon's are bringing the ball up the court with a guy in their face full court, and they are having to use lots of energy just to simply get the ball across half court, every single possession. It's wearing on them and you can tell. We fight hard and keep it close in the 1st half, and then it falls off the rails every 3rd quarter. As a betting man, it's been easy money to put wait until that mid 2nd quarter point when we have the game close and the line is something like -5.5, or like last night it was -7.5 when I made my bet when we were just down 3 late in the 2nd quarter. We just dont' have the manpower to play with good teams in the 2nd half.
Last night the BI and Boston took 14 mid range shots. all but 3 of them were further than 15' (FT line), and those 3 were just a step inside the FT line. OKC took 12 mid range shots, and 6 of them were closer than 10' .
There's nothign wrong with mid range shots, but the ones we are being forced to take are usually not good mid range shots. Getting in the paint and taking an easy 10-15 footer that isn't really being challenged much isn't a bad shot. Getting in the paint and taking a 10-15 footer with someone draped on you and now you're off balance and falling away isn't a good shot.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:19 am to TeddyPadillac
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We have an idiot for a coach
Agreed. This doesn’t help one bit. I said it before the lack of talent is exposing his coaching issues more than before. Good coaches can gameplan, adjust or maximize talent they have on the floor to give their team the best chance to win. Willie as a coach just isn’t good enough to do that. He expects .5 basketball to be played by 2 way players- thats not at all realistic.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:23 am to brmark70816
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There is a big difference in that deal and something like a $4Y/24M deal. I don't think that Green had a lot of options, so I can somewhat believe the low number. If it's true, I just can't kill the guys too much. There are a bunch of assistants making more than him. The bar shouldn't be set too high..
I guess I question why even give him such a shitty deal? If you actually believe in the guy actually reward him properly. A deal like that just means your cheap as an organization and we think your a shitty coach but we can’t afford to fire someone right now.
Whether he gets fired in season or in the offseason- I think this is Willie’s last year coaching this team- I don’t think the injuries will matter.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:28 am to TeddyPadillac
Teddy, totally agree.
BI is at least playing his arse off (as he should). But, he's been handed a crap hand. He can excel at certain things, but being Magic part2 isn't one of them.
Between the total lack of talent right now and the lack of a decent coach, this is a terrible team.
BI is at least playing his arse off (as he should). But, he's been handed a crap hand. He can excel at certain things, but being Magic part2 isn't one of them.
Between the total lack of talent right now and the lack of a decent coach, this is a terrible team.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:43 am to TeddyPadillac
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BI isn't Giannis. He can't just go off and score 59 points and lead his team to a win by himself. That doesn't mean BI isn't a good basketball player, but he's got no help, and he's simply not one of the best basketball players of all time like Giannis is.
I have to give a little pushback here. I don’t think anyone realistically expects him to do this. But theres a massive difference between 59 in a close win and 18 in a blowout. I think BI HAS to find a way to score more and get a handle on his turnovers. We don’t expect 59 but we expect more than 18. He needs to be near 25 at least even if its an inefficient 25. And regardless of pressure he needs to cut down the turnovers. He needs to find a way to get to the free throw line more often- sometimes you have to push the issue and not just settle for the midrange. I think, even with the shite around him, hes capable of doing that.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:44 am to ROUSTER
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BI is at least playing his arse off (as he should). But, he's been handed a crap hand. He can excel at certain things, but being Magic part2 isn't one of them.
I can't believe this level of cope. The guy is on a max deal and wants a new bigger deal. This is the time to show out and prove it. He got outplayed by Williams. He just comes and goes, disappears during chunks on the game. He has to get some of the blame and the heat has to be turned up on him. We can't give him excuses. He's supposed to be a star..
Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:50 am to brmark70816
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He just comes and goes, disappears during chunks on the game
That's more on the offense being stagnant and bad coaching than ingram man.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:51 am to Pels_Yaz
Once OKC stop messing around and put Dort on BI, the night was over for him. 
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