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re: Pelicans more committed to Monty than Demps
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:27 pm to Noplacelikehome
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:27 pm to Noplacelikehome
quote:That would be a great excuse if last year was their first year. It was not and this team has shown no direction. We lucked into Davis, but otherwise have been like a rudderless ship.
Go find me another team that had their top 6 players miss more than 200 games combined (maybe the Lakers?). I would say that this team deserves (what we can hope to be) an intact season before we jump to big time conclusions. It isn't Monty's or Demps' fault that these injuries happened.
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:31 pm to NOSHAU
In retrospect, the Evans signing does not look too smart for Demps. Everyone thought it was a sign that Gordon was on the move. Instead, we were forced to get rid of an above average young center on a good contract. Also, we had to sign back Aminu to play the 3. So, we ignored the 3 and 5 position for another guard. Had we moved Gordon or passed on Evans, we would have had Lopez at the 5 and about $9-$10 million to invest in a starting 3 (by letting Aminu go). Demps really needs to make up for that error and dump Gordon to fill the 3 and 5 spots.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:39 pm to NOSHAU
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We lucked into Davis, but otherwise have been like a rudderless ship.
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Early on in the process, Demps identified a couple of features that were important to him when he went surveying the league for available players.
“We really were targeting guys between the ages of 23 and 25, what we call ‘young veterans.’” Demps says. “We were trying to say, ‘Let’s get a bunch of guys who have already been through the ringer a little bit, had some ups and downs, know the league, but are still young and in their athletic prime.'”
In addition to youth, Demps values certain skill sets. In his vision of an NBA offense, dribble penetration is the most effective way to generate the highest-percentage shots, and he wants perimeter players who can attack defenses off the dribble.
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Demps has a vision, the problem is Monty doesn't seem to share it. This season proved that Monty would rather lose with the best defense available than win with the best offense available. Jeff Van Gundy, a coach known as a grind it out, slow it down, ugly ball defensive coach made some interesting comments on Zach Lowe's podcast a few weeks ago. Paraphrasing he said "Every good defensive coach's biggest concern is how he's going to generate offense. Defense is about coaching and basket protection. Give me guys with offensive skills that I can coach up on defense rather than a guy that's great on defense but has no offensive ability." If Monty had more of that philosophy I don't think this ship would seem as rudderless as it currently is. Which makes the alleged commitment to Monty all the more disturbing. It's a lot easier to change coaches than rosters.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:54 pm to LSUpelsSaints
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Dell and Monty
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:59 pm to TigerinATL
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Pelicans more committed to Monty than Demps
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committed to Monty
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committed
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Monty
Posted on 5/20/14 at 3:07 pm to TigerinATL
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Demps has a vision, the problem is Monty doesn't seem to share it.
Couldn't agree more. Not only is it a difference of Dell building a roster of fast-playing, offensive players vs. Monty's love for defense, but Monty seems to prefer the "old vets" over the "young vets" that Dell likes.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 3:08 pm to TigerinATL
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Demps has a vision, the problem is Monty doesn't seem to share it. This season proved that Monty would rather lose with the best defense available than win with the best offense available. Jeff Van Gundy, a coach known as a grind it out, slow it down, ugly ball defensive coach made some interesting comments on Zach Lowe's podcast a few weeks ago. Paraphrasing he said "Every good defensive coach's biggest concern is how he's going to generate offense. Defense is about coaching and basket protection. Give me guys with offensive skills that I can coach up on defense rather than a guy that's great on defense but has no offensive ability." If Monty had more of that philosophy I don't think this ship would seem as rudderless as it currently is. Which makes the alleged commitment to Monty all the more disturbing. It's a lot easier to change coaches than rosters
This. All of this.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 3:28 pm to TigerinATL
quote:How can you have a vision from the office if you do not have a staff to institute your vision? That is terrible planning on the GMs part. If he feels his vision supercedes the expertise he has in house to run it, he should have made changes to the staff. If ownership or Loomis is not allowing him to make the necessary changes, then in all likelihood he will be gone soon. The problem is, if Loomis/Benson support Monty, and he has players that do not play the way he wants to play, we could be in for another revamp of the roster.
Demps has a vision, the problem is Monty doesn't seem to share it. This season proved that Monty would rather lose with the best defense available than win with the best offense available. Jeff Van Gundy, a coach known as a grind it out, slow it down, ugly ball defensive coach made some interesting comments on Zach Lowe's podcast a few weeks ago. Paraphrasing he said "Every good defensive coach's biggest concern is how he's going to generate offense. Defense is about coaching and basket protection. Give me guys with offensive skills that I can coach up on defense rather than a guy that's great on defense but has no offensive ability." If Monty had more of that philosophy I don't think this ship would seem as rudderless as it currently is. Which makes the alleged commitment to Monty all the more disturbing. It's a lot easier to change coaches than rosters.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 5/20/14 at 3:40 pm to NOSHAU
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How can you have a vision from the office if you do not have a staff to institute your vision?
The thing is, as much as we have ripped on Monty for misusing guys 6-15 when that's all he had available, when everyone was healthy, he made very different choices. If the team can get and stay healthy, I think Monty and Demps will both be here a while whether they deserve it or not because the team has so much talent.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 5:48 pm to TigerinATL
the problem is we need a coach and gm tandem like we have on the saints staff; monty williams is not a coach that is going to take this team to a play off and demps isn't a gm thats in the same league as a mickey loomis. we need a better coach and better gm period and until that happens, this team will continue to be below average.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 6:03 pm to TigerinATL
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because the team has so much talent.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 6:04 pm to CQQ
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Demps has brought a lot of talent to a franchise that can't normally attract the big names via FA.
you sugar coated the frick out of those acquisitions. Dell sucks. Monty sucks.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:16 pm to TigerinATL
The answer is easy demps and Monty are both shitty and both should hit the bricks.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:28 pm to TJG210
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The answer is easy demps and Monty are both shitty and both should hit the bricks.
Yep and trade everyone except AD
That will help
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:31 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Sadly, that is a recipe for mediocrity.
The thing is, as much as we have ripped on Monty for misusing guys 6-15 when that's all he had available, when everyone was healthy, he made very different choices. If the team can get and stay healthy, I think Monty and Demps will both be here a while whether they deserve it or not because the team has so much talent.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:45 pm to Gtothemoney
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Monty won't be the coach here when the time is coming for AD's 2nd contract.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:35 am to TigerinATL
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The thing is, as much as we have ripped on Monty for misusing guys 6-15 when that's all he had available, when everyone was healthy, he made very different choices.
Just to drive this point home a little more, the only rotation mistake Monty made where he chose a Monty Player over a better player, was Aminu over Tyreke. But in that stretch of 13 games where the core pieces were together, Tyreke's minutes rose as Aminu's fell. Aminu averaged 25.6 mpg for the season and that fell to 21.5. Tyreke averaged 25 mpg as a non starter for the season, but in this stretch he averaged about 28.5 mpg and over the last half of those 13 games he averaged 31.5 mpg.
There were plenty of reasons to be frustrated with Monty's rotations this season, but there also is enough evidence that he'd coach a healthy team differently to have hope that this rudderless ship can right itself next season.
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Sadly, that is a recipe for mediocrity.
I actually like what Demps has put together and am ready to move on from Monty, I just don't think that will happen.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 9:37 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:19 pm to TigerinATL
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I actually like what Demps has put together
The only questionable move I can think of is trading Noel and a draft pick for Jrue. I liked the move, but not everyone else did. Besides that, most moves have been approved of by everyone as good moves.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:21 pm to Suntiger
quote:while I believe demps had pretty much no choice but to match, a lot think the EG contract was a shitty move
The only questionable move I can think of is trading Noel and a draft pick for Jrue. I liked the move, but not everyone else did. Besides that, most moves have been approved of by everyone as good moves.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 12:26 pm to Fearthehat0307
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while I believe demps had pretty much no choice but to match, a lot think the EG contract was a shitty move
In theory, sign and trade would've been nice.
EG would probably be putting up 20/4/4 with that medical staff working on him and we'd look like bums in hindsight though.
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