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re: Pelicans need to go after Ben Simmons
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:29 am to brmark70816
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:29 am to brmark70816
It’s funny how everyone hates Simmons but he has more all star appearances than everyone on our team combined. He has elite skills at almost everything but shooting. He’s the best defensive wing in basketball. I’ve seen analysts say he’d be the closest thing to lebron if he ever developed a jumper.
He’d all but guarantee we make it to the playoffs if added. Yes the playoffs magnify his shooting woes but at least it would show Zion we are trying and taking steps by getting there. I wouldn’t trade BI for him but try and reroute another player the 6ers would want and some of our assets to that team. That would be the ideal scenario.
He’d all but guarantee we make it to the playoffs if added. Yes the playoffs magnify his shooting woes but at least it would show Zion we are trying and taking steps by getting there. I wouldn’t trade BI for him but try and reroute another player the 6ers would want and some of our assets to that team. That would be the ideal scenario.
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Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:55 am to Townedrunkard
quote:In order for Simmons to "work" he would have to commit to playing center, and I doubt he would do that.
It’s funny how everyone hates Simmons but he has more all star appearances than everyone on our team combined. He has elite skills at almost everything but shooting. He’s the best defensive wing in basketball. I’ve seen analysts say he’d be the closest thing to lebron if he ever developed a jumper.
He’d all but guarantee we make it to the playoffs if added. Yes the playoffs magnify his shooting woes but at least it would show Zion we are trying and taking steps by getting there. I wouldn’t trade BI for him but try and reroute another player the 6ers would want and some of our assets to that team. That would be the ideal scenario.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:56 am to Townedrunkard
I agree with this statement. I wouldnt hate adding Simmons but id want him paired with BI and Zion.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 12:13 pm to Epic Cajun
That just isn't true. He plays PG now and was all NBA 3rd team last year. He could start anywhere in our line up 1-5 and be an improvement over everybody, except Zion. He couldn't beat out Ball or Bledsoe?
That is crazy talk. You are projecting for us to win a Championship, he would have to do this. How about just to win and make the playoffs? Aren't you tired of losing?
That is crazy talk. You are projecting for us to win a Championship, he would have to do this. How about just to win and make the playoffs? Aren't you tired of losing?
Posted on 7/14/21 at 12:24 pm to brmark70816
quote:So how do you play him and Zion on the floor at the same time on the offensive end? How would both close games?
That just isn't true. He plays PG now and was all NBA 3rd team last year. He could start anywhere in our line up 1-5 and be an improvement over everybody, except Zion. He couldn't beat out Ball or Bledsoe?
That is crazy talk. You are projecting for us to win a Championship, he would have to do this. How about just to win and make the playoffs? Aren't you tired of losing?
This post was edited on 7/14/21 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 7/14/21 at 12:26 pm to brmark70816
Synergy is a real concept.
Individually if you had a team of Giannis, Ben Simmons, Zion Williamson, Jrue Holiday, andClint Capella, the individual collection of talent would be unrivaled.
That team wouldn’t win a playoff series though. Would regularly get blown out by teams that could get hot against them.
Simmons and Zion is a terrible fit. Both are much better served with 4 out rosters that compliment their inside dominant games. And a Simmons trade would cost BI, and that is a dumb swap. A guy that has improved every year for a guy that has shown no ability to expand his game.
Individually if you had a team of Giannis, Ben Simmons, Zion Williamson, Jrue Holiday, andClint Capella, the individual collection of talent would be unrivaled.
That team wouldn’t win a playoff series though. Would regularly get blown out by teams that could get hot against them.
Simmons and Zion is a terrible fit. Both are much better served with 4 out rosters that compliment their inside dominant games. And a Simmons trade would cost BI, and that is a dumb swap. A guy that has improved every year for a guy that has shown no ability to expand his game.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 12:26 pm to brmark70816
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That just isn't true. He plays PG now and was all NBA 3rd team last year.
He's a PG as much as Lonzo is a PG.
As you saw in the half court in the playoffs, he can't play PG. And i suspect the same can be said for Lonzo. and there's nothing wrong with that b/c they both can be great players if they play the right role in the half court, and that's not PG.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 12:37 pm to TeddyPadillac
I would take Lonzo a million times over Simmons.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 12:45 pm to KingBarkus
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I would take Lonzo a million times over Simmons.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 12:58 pm to KingBarkus
no you wouldnt
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:41 pm to A Menace to Sobriety
only way I do it is for bledsoe.
ill pay 3 2nd round picks and bledsoe.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 2:07 pm to TeddyPadillac
You are who you guard. Simmons can guard 1-5. He can literally play anywhere on the court. Zion is a generational talent. He can fit with any player in the league. He doesn't need 4 shooters playing with him. Neither does Simmons. Neither has ever played with more than 2. Of course they can play together.
This is the same stuff I fought over when when I was stomping for us to keep Randle. Everybody said they can't fit together. It made no sense. So we let a MVP candidate walk.
Fit is important. But it isn't everything. You grab talent when you can. Simmons is a top 10 talent in the league, even if he never becomes an average shooter (even though he averages 16ppg on 56%fg). You have to give Zion more credit in his ability to adapt and mold his game to playing with other players..
This is the same stuff I fought over when when I was stomping for us to keep Randle. Everybody said they can't fit together. It made no sense. So we let a MVP candidate walk.
Fit is important. But it isn't everything. You grab talent when you can. Simmons is a top 10 talent in the league, even if he never becomes an average shooter (even though he averages 16ppg on 56%fg). You have to give Zion more credit in his ability to adapt and mold his game to playing with other players..
Posted on 7/14/21 at 2:38 pm to SouthMSReb
First - acknowledge the bad about Simmons:
He gets paid a PILE of money
He can't shoot
There appear to be some motivation questions
That's not great, BUT:
Simmons does a lot of the same things Zion does. He drives downhill to the basket, and he's bigger/stronger/faster than most defenders he'll face. He runs the floor really well and sees the floor well in transition.
He's a better passer and defender than Zion is today. He's likely in better physical shape than Zion is today.
Essentially, you could guarantee yourself forty eight minutes of Zion-like offensive basketball - which to me sounds appealing. And it likely decreases the load on Zion. Wouldn't it be awesome to have a fresh Zion in the fourth quarter of every game?
Two massive questions (not related to Simmons individually) - can we properly construct the roster with all the remaining players to support that model? Is Brandon Ingram willing to always be the second option, because either Simmons or Zion will be option A and one of them is likely on the floor at all times.
I don't feel confident that either of those are likely to happen, but if I had certainty that both (or maybe even one?) were certain, Simmons seems like a no-brainer.
He gets paid a PILE of money
He can't shoot
There appear to be some motivation questions
That's not great, BUT:
Simmons does a lot of the same things Zion does. He drives downhill to the basket, and he's bigger/stronger/faster than most defenders he'll face. He runs the floor really well and sees the floor well in transition.
He's a better passer and defender than Zion is today. He's likely in better physical shape than Zion is today.
Essentially, you could guarantee yourself forty eight minutes of Zion-like offensive basketball - which to me sounds appealing. And it likely decreases the load on Zion. Wouldn't it be awesome to have a fresh Zion in the fourth quarter of every game?
Two massive questions (not related to Simmons individually) - can we properly construct the roster with all the remaining players to support that model? Is Brandon Ingram willing to always be the second option, because either Simmons or Zion will be option A and one of them is likely on the floor at all times.
I don't feel confident that either of those are likely to happen, but if I had certainty that both (or maybe even one?) were certain, Simmons seems like a no-brainer.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 3:12 pm to Sheep
Simmons with Zion and BI could work. Simmons doesn't care to shoot a whole bunch leaving that for BI and Zion. Vinson would need to get him making some damn free throws thats for sure. You cant make that much money and have to get sent to the bench in crunch time because you cant make your damn free throws.
This post was edited on 7/14/21 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 7/14/21 at 3:44 pm to TeddyPadillac
Go ahead and laugh. With Simmons you can't rely on him to make a shot. Hell, he doesn't try to shoot. Good, he can drive the paint. No, he can't because he can't make free throws. You want to play him in crunch time?
Lonzo has improved his shooting and can feed Zion. Yes, I'll take Lonzo.
Lonzo has improved his shooting and can feed Zion. Yes, I'll take Lonzo.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 3:47 pm to KingBarkus
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I would take Lonzo a million times over Simmons
Next time, just say no to drugs…..
Posted on 7/14/21 at 3:51 pm to KingBarkus
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No, he can't because he can't make free throws. You want to play him in crunch time?
Once upon a time, Lonzo ft percentages were in the 40’s, you know before our shooting guru got a hold of him. Guess it’s out the realm of possibility for that to happen with Simmons though….
Posted on 7/14/21 at 3:58 pm to smoke225
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Simmons with Zion and BI could work. Simmons doesn't care to shoot a whole bunch leaving that for BI and Zion.
From a purely basketball perspective, I love it.
It's all the rest of the stuff that makes me nervous (and I didn't mention Klutch in my post.)
Honestly, the part that gives me the biggest pause is I have zero faith that this front office could construct the roster required to support those three. Or that they could even identify what that roster should look like.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 7:03 pm to Sheep
Well NAW has to step up and they gotta figure out how they would handle point Zion and Simmons as a PG it would be a different look that’s for sure.I totally agree with you about the Roster construction, would definitely be key to making that work.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:24 pm to Townedrunkard
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Once upon a time, Lonzo ft percentages were in the 40’s, you know before our shooting guru got a hold of him. Guess it’s out the realm of possibility for that to happen with Simmons though….
So you want a guy making HUGE money now that can’t shoot shots or ft’s for a guy that will make less than the aforementioned player that has ALREADY improved from the field and ft line? Brilliant!
This post was edited on 7/14/21 at 9:26 pm
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