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Posted on 12/19/23 at 9:45 pm to LSUgrad88
Yeah Zion did a lot of watching others rebound and hustle tonight. If we could just get some type of consistent hustle from him that’s probably +5-7 games alone.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:08 pm to Peytonknows
I said it before, Zion starts and not even in the top 50 in rebounds. No hustle
’im a JV fan, but when they started the comeback, you had to put Trey in and make JJack guard him around the perimeter
We needed another shooter in. And make Ja move more when he was tired. It wasn’t like JV was killing them in the paint. Or you sit Z
JV, Zion, herb in at the same time doesn’t work. Jmo
BI did his part again , CJ need to be clutch and missed.
’im a JV fan, but when they started the comeback, you had to put Trey in and make JJack guard him around the perimeter
We needed another shooter in. And make Ja move more when he was tired. It wasn’t like JV was killing them in the paint. Or you sit Z
JV, Zion, herb in at the same time doesn’t work. Jmo
BI did his part again , CJ need to be clutch and missed.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:17 pm to southsidedell
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When Z isn't scoring, he is a borderline liability on the floor. He doesn't rebound he doesn't play defense.
He’s Lou Williams in a bigger body. He can get you 30, but he doesn’t rebound, play defense and is just an ok passer. You also don’t want him playing in crunch time because oh yeah he’s a terrible free throw shooter
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:22 pm to Who_Dat_Tiger
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Welp Pels on a 5-game win streak at 17-11. Next up the only opponent that had Pels talk worried we were going going 7-1 instead of 8-0 over this stretch. Bring it you cavalier bitches
Like what the actual frick man???? The fact you did this at halftime completely jinxed us. You should know better as a Pels fan smh.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:22 pm to Balsamic_duck
Zion was a great passer in this game tonight though. His best attribute was passing tonight. He doesn’t get NEAR the amount of foul calls he should though
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:41 pm to Tigerpride18
I just finished watching on dvr. Can someone please explain to me why Zion was parked in the corner for the last 6 min of the game on offense? He was not involved in any pick and rolls. We ran pick and rolls with Cody Zeller for two minutes while Zion was a spacer in the corner. I do not understand at all what I just watched.
Memphis got the ball to Ja every time and we never varied coverage. The difference in coaching was alarming. Willie, Zion should NEVER BE IN THE CORNER. It is pretty incredible how poorly designed our offense was in the last 6 minutes.
Memphis got the ball to Ja every time and we never varied coverage. The difference in coaching was alarming. Willie, Zion should NEVER BE IN THE CORNER. It is pretty incredible how poorly designed our offense was in the last 6 minutes.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:45 pm to ThePistol
Willie doesn't know what to do with Zion when his offense isn't effective from the elbow. And didn't know how to adjust to get him going either. It was a coaching shite show.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:53 pm to supe12sta12z
He has to let Zion initiate at times. The biggest, most glaring problem, thus far this season is Zion has been used poorly. He is 6’6” and doesn’t have a consistent jump shot. Putting him at the elbow and in the corner just isn’t doing him or the team any favors. The best basketball we have played over the last 4+ seasons was Zion with the ball in his hands. Tonight, we lost a game with Zion sitting in the corner for 6+ minutes while Cody Zeller and Dyson Daniels had the ball in their hands more and were more involved in actions than he was. It is inexcusable.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:57 pm to ThePistol
quote:I've said it a million times on this board.
Memphis got the ball to Ja every time and we never varied coverage
All the dudes who Zion should be compared to have an offensive scheme with the ball in their hands every possession down the stretch.
We have schemes that put our best player who is a non shooter standing in the corner far away from the action.
This post was edited on 12/19/23 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:59 pm to shel311
You are 100% correct. People can shite on Zion all they want but he was schemed out of this game by his own coaching staff. I couldn’t believe it as I was watching it.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:03 pm to ThePistol
quote:I could because it's happened quite a bit in the past
I couldn’t believe it as I was watching it
I don't get the rhyme or reason, because sometimes we do feed Zion down the stretch. But other times, you can tell it's clear that the plan is for Zion to stand in the corner over and over. If that's the case and we won't let our best player run the offense for whatever reason, we'd be better off benching him and letting Trey stand in the corner.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:15 pm to shel311
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I don't get the rhyme or reason, because sometimes we do feed Zion down the stretch. But other times, you can tell it's clear that the plan is for Zion to stand in the corner over and over. If that's the case and we won't let our best player run the offense for whatever reason, we'd be better off benching him and letting Trey stand in the corner.
Our last offensive possession was fricking ridiculous. The way he was playing you know the Pels wanted the ball in BIs hands on a part of the court where he could do something. So what do we do, we have BI bring the ball up. And of course they doubled him and made him give the ball up. We have Zion, as stated, not even a part of the offense standing in the corner, not even the thought of running pick and roll with BI. in fairness, the shot we got from CJ wasn't bad. I am still shocked at how badly he missed it. Buts its just the stupidity of knowing you wanted BI to hopefully get a good look and doing something where he was going to get doubled out high and have to give the ball up. They easily could have had CJ or Herb bring the ball up and run BI off of screens from JV and Zion. He likely gets a good look or if they are too aggressive trying to stick with BI you may have a great chance to get Zion or JV the ball at the rim. It was exactly what Taylor Jenkins would have hoped we would do. Which tells you how bad it was.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:21 pm to shel311
We're 28 games in and about 1/3 of a season in, I'm not seeing the progression I'm hoping to see from our stars. Still feels like they're taking turns on offense. Not sure if we'll ever see them being the cohesive tandem we're hoping for. There's some games here and there where you see them playing off each other and go wow it's coming together but it still feels like it's few and far in-between.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:26 pm to LSUgrad88
I really hope someone asks Willie about this. It is inexcusable. I have been very optimistic about the trajectory of this team. Tonight was a major blow for that. I don’t believe this coaching staff knows how to optimize this roster. They have essentially showed us that they do not understand how to maximize our best player. In fact, I don’t even think they believe he is our best player. They don’t know how to get our best shooter on the floor consistently (ironically, he would help to maximize our best player). They have shown a stubbornness that has cost them very winnable games and very sizable leads. A major change in philosophy has to happen for this organization to take the next step.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:28 pm to supe12sta12z
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I'm not seeing the progression I'm hoping to see from our stars. Still feels like they're taking turns on offense. Not sure if we'll ever see them being the cohesive tandem we're hoping for
I agree. And with two "stars" who are, for the most part, liabilities on defense and for whatever reason seem to get absolutely no "star treatment" from officials, if they aren't executing at a really high level on offense and playing off of each other, its a huge problem. Really limits this teams ceiling. How much of that is coaching, I guess, is what we need to figure out. Its certainly a huge part of it.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:31 pm to ThePistol
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It is inexcusable. I have been very optimistic about the trajectory of this team. Tonight was a major blow for that. I don’t believe this coaching staff knows how to optimize this roster. They have essentially showed us that they do not understand how to maximize our best player. In fact, I don’t even think they believe he is our best player. They don’t know how to get our best shooter on the floor consistently (ironically, he would help to maximize our best player). They have shown a stubbornness that has cost them very winnable games and very sizable leads. A major change in philosophy has to happen for this organization to take the next step.
I can't argue with any of that. Actually I agree with pretty much all of it. Tonight really was a gut punch for so many reasons, well above just the singular loss. It feels like much more than that.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:35 pm to LSUgrad88
Considering the star who has attempted 7 3pt fgs all season spent the last 6 minutes of the game as a spacer in the corner, I would say that coaching is playing a significant role.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:46 pm to ThePistol
Does anyone have the shot chart for Ja from this game? I think he only made 1 shot outside the paint the entire game. Pels simply couldn't keep him from the rim, really sad.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:50 pm to ATLienTiger
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Does anyone have the shot chart for Ja from this game? I think he only made 1 shot outside the paint the entire game. Pels simply couldn't keep him from the rim, really sad.
Sounds about right, I was hoping they would back off him and dare him to shoot the three. He would surely be rusty as a shooter and isn't anything special from there when 100%
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