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re: Pels sign Ian Clark per Shams
Posted on 8/2/17 at 8:00 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 8/2/17 at 8:00 am to TigerinATL
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Zach Lowe has said the thing that most of these guys should say but are afraid to: I don't know
exactly. big reason why he's the best.
i thought Russillo's take was pretty spot on in that pod. it's all about Cousins. if they get him to buy in and stay focused, things will work out well even with normal injuries, etc.
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As much as this team has focused on multiposition defenders that can shoot and move the ball, they still have too many guys that are 6'6 and under and not enough guys that are 6'7-6'9.
a thousand times yes
ETA- seriously, if they had kept Casspi last spring and then brought him back, i am fairly certain the off-season grades from the experts some are dumping on are much more positive
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Posted on 8/2/17 at 8:03 am to corndeaux
this makes the pick of jackson even more puzzling
you can get combo guards with some skill for the minimum, but a wing with similar skill is impossible without an overpay
so why not swing for a wing?
you can get combo guards with some skill for the minimum, but a wing with similar skill is impossible without an overpay
so why not swing for a wing?
Posted on 8/2/17 at 8:12 am to corndeaux
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god, i really hate these posts. why do Pels fans need validation from national analysts?
I don't think we need validation, but getting absolutely shite on by most of the national media for every move that the team makes is a bit much.
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Casspi is a better player at a premium position.
I killed the management team for this move, too. It was stupid, and nothing this offseason has proved that it was done with a better option in mind.
Do you honestly think that Galloway is better than Clark? Or that there is any subjective measure that shows that Galloway is better than Clark? If a team that is looked at as having a good front office would have signed Clark, it would have been applauded.
It feels like some of these national writers think that the Pels front office is shite (which is kinda is), but they use that confirmation bias and apply it to all future moves that the Pels make.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 8:20 am to Epic Cajun
From clarks perspective, its 1.5 million in us currency. Another year in association into retirement plan.
From pels, you get good but not great offense, a little off guard who cant defend either position with todays rules enforcement/de-emphasis.
From pels, you get good but not great offense, a little off guard who cant defend either position with todays rules enforcement/de-emphasis.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 8:22 am to Epic Cajun
I am not looking for any kind of lip service about Pels.
It is better for them to be underdogs.
Just those national insiders - especially Duncan are showcasing themselves as a leaguewide experts.
But they have their own favourites and are bashing others.
F.E. all of them think that Jrue wont work at the 2. If only they have watched any Pels games...
In one pod Duncan bashed Pels for draft. And forgot about Jackson.
In next one he liked Jackson.
But I understand we have to live with it. DMC is headache. Rondo is terrible. We are stupid playing Jrue at 2. And have no wings.
Lowe at least can admit that he does not know. But it may theoretically work...
It is better for them to be underdogs.
Just those national insiders - especially Duncan are showcasing themselves as a leaguewide experts.
But they have their own favourites and are bashing others.
F.E. all of them think that Jrue wont work at the 2. If only they have watched any Pels games...
In one pod Duncan bashed Pels for draft. And forgot about Jackson.
In next one he liked Jackson.
But I understand we have to live with it. DMC is headache. Rondo is terrible. We are stupid playing Jrue at 2. And have no wings.
Lowe at least can admit that he does not know. But it may theoretically work...
Posted on 8/2/17 at 8:54 am to pawel
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In one pod Duncan bashed Pels for draft. And forgot about Jackson.
In next one he liked Jackson.
I picked up on this too. And, other things like him getting Ajinca's salary wrong on the mock offseason. I know that national guys won't know all of the small details about every team, but when they act like they do and get called out for not knowing as much about a team as they claim, we shouldn't get treated as homers.Posted on 8/2/17 at 8:54 am to Epic Cajun
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etting absolutely shite on by most of the national media for every move that the team makes is a bit much.
did anyone shite on the Clark move? seriously, i just havent seen much of anything about it.
and that makes sense. it's a dead period for the league- most of the national writers are taking a break/vacation. my NBA twitter list is fairly devoid of content and they arent running back from wherever to breakdown Ian Clark to the Pels on a minimum deal.
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Do you honestly think that Galloway is better than Clark?
i do. i think he brings a tiny bit more off the bounce and i think he is a better defender. the "miles better" is a bit much. but that's the downside of the constant content game
i certainly wouldnt want Galloway on that contract. but i also think Clark is a nice fit for the Pels in that 4th guard spot. you can pair him w/ Rondo or Holiday to help cover his defensive limits and he knows how to be a role player.
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they use that confirmation bias and apply it to all future moves that the Pels make.
that is a fair assessment. at times, i certainly agree. but at other times, it feels like pretzel logic.
saying trusted national writers dont watch enough Pels to be truly aware of the team is one thing. then not trusting their thoughts when they analyze a Pels FA signing from another team (whom Pels fans have not watched enough of) doesnt quite add up.
that doesnt mean those writers are always right about everything. but at some point, if you trust an expert, you have to take into account that opinion and not simply dismiss it, even if its not something you agree with.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 9:26 am to pawel
Epic, these are things that get the homer label
if they had watched Holiday play ONLY from March 19-April 4. those 9 games (2 w/o Cousins) would have convinced them he's going to be GREAT at the 2.
they would not question the idea of giving career long PG Holiday $125M, then signing Rondo to start at PG next to him.
and maybe it works exactly as we all hope, but declaring that skeptics are just playing favorites is absurd
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all of them think that Jrue wont work at the 2. If only they have watched any Pels games.
if they had watched Holiday play ONLY from March 19-April 4. those 9 games (2 w/o Cousins) would have convinced them he's going to be GREAT at the 2.
they would not question the idea of giving career long PG Holiday $125M, then signing Rondo to start at PG next to him.
and maybe it works exactly as we all hope, but declaring that skeptics are just playing favorites is absurd
Posted on 8/2/17 at 9:45 am to corndeaux
MM pointed out this highlight clip of Clark scoring off cuts while David West passes to him out of the high post. You can see how he'd fit well with Point Boogie.
This post was edited on 8/2/17 at 9:46 am
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:09 am to TigerinATL
nothing special here, and not sure why we are looking for undersized SG's to come off the bench. when healthy, it will be hard to share minutes between Moore/Crawford/Clark/Miller assuming Rondo/Jrue will just about always be in there at PG. I'd guess there's about 50 minutes to share among those guys at the 1, 2 and 3 position and Moore and Crawford played 24mpg last year. we need a legit backup PG. If one of Rondo or Jrue gets hurt, we have no other PG. Might have been better to get someone like Trey Burke on a similar deal.
after that small complaint, there's nothing really to complain about adding a high energy guy that is a decent 3 point shooter for 1 year of minimal money. it's almost as if he's just a 1 year rental while Jackson prepares in the G-league so he can play the same role next year as Clark will this year.
after that small complaint, there's nothing really to complain about adding a high energy guy that is a decent 3 point shooter for 1 year of minimal money. it's almost as if he's just a 1 year rental while Jackson prepares in the G-league so he can play the same role next year as Clark will this year.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:13 am to TigerLunatik
quote:couple that with the fact that he was deep on that depth chart, and i'm very optimistic on what he can do with an increased role on a team in need of shooting
Impressive. This kid made some really nice plays down the stretch. Plus he's been around the best of the best. Very solid addition.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:01 pm to TeddyPadillac
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nothing special here, and not sure why we are looking for undersized SG's to come off the bench. when healthy, it will be hard to share minutes between Moore/Crawford/Clark/Miller assuming Rondo/Jrue will just about always be in there at PG. I'd guess there's about 50 minutes to share among those guys at the 1, 2 and 3 position and Moore and Crawford played 24mpg last year. we need a legit backup PG. If one of Rondo or Jrue gets hurt, we have no other PG. Might have been better to get someone like Trey Burke on a similar deal
Crawford played 19 games last year outperforming his career stats significantly. Definition of small sample size. I hope he is legit, but relying on him to give you 20+ minutes based on those 19 games is questionable at best. Likewise Miller is a huge ?, but should get some minutes behind Solo/DC. The Pelicans needed to add talent. Clark is the most talented minimum player they could get. He can also shoot, move offball, and is familiar with Gentry's offensive style.
Trey Burke is awful. WAS gave up a 2nd to get Tim Frazier to replace him and no team has shown interest in him. Clark will provide a lot more minutes than Burke.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:10 pm to NOFOX
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Clark will provide a lot more minutes than Burke.
I didn't mean to imply Burke was better, simply that I'd like to have a backup pg.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:13 pm to TeddyPadillac
Just give the backup pg spot to grits
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:26 pm to Machine
Considering the circumstances, I'm happy with the backcourt. Can't expect them to fix every problem in one off-season. They've fixed the most important ones with Finch and getting Cousins on the team.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I didn't mean to imply Burke was better, simply that I'd like to have a backup pg.
Oh right. I get that, but I think it is more important to add talent (particularly shooting) than to plan for that contingency. I think we have enough guys between Moore, Clark, Crawford, point-Boogie, and point-Solo to divy up backup ball-handling responsibilities in the Finch altered offense if we suffer a Jrue or Rondo injury.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 1:02 pm to NOFOX
we expecting frank jackson to be our ian clark in 2018?
Posted on 8/2/17 at 1:05 pm to Chad504boy
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we expecting frank jackson to be our ian clark in 2018?
Will figure that out next offseason. I anticipate that if Clark, Miller, and Crawford do well and Jackson looks like something, they will ship off Moore and use his salary to pay Rondo and maybe Clark.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 1:21 pm to supe12sta12z
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Considering the circumstances, I'm happy with the backcourt. Can't expect them to fix every problem in one off-season. They've fixed the most important ones with Finch and getting Cousins on the team
Honestly, just think about where this team was 1 year ago today and it's hard to be disappointed with the roster we have right now
Posted on 8/2/17 at 1:24 pm to Rand AlThor
Perfect way to look at it.
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