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re: Pels vs Rocks Preseason Game Thread - 10/15
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
JRE shouldn't get minutes when Trey is healthy. At least I hope not.
I really like Missi getting rotational minutes. He may be raw but he isn't a liability out there and plays hard. I think he can be develop over the course of the season and provide quality minutes by the end of the season.
I really like Missi getting rotational minutes. He may be raw but he isn't a liability out there and plays hard. I think he can be develop over the course of the season and provide quality minutes by the end of the season.
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
Our main core of players through 3 PRESEASON games are 29-101 from 3.
28.7%
Hopefully it means nothing b/c it’s preseason.
28.7%
Hopefully it means nothing b/c it’s preseason.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:03 pm to TeddyPadillac
Much more concerned about rebounding than shooting. Tonight, we finally saw a big really dominate us on the boards. Adams just swallowed up everything in the short amount of time he was in the game.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:19 pm to supe12sta12z
We had 36 points in the paint they had 60. Woof. This could go south quickly. Hopefully it’s just preseason….
Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:30 pm to supe12sta12z
He is a liability rn but I do like what I see from missi
He can be exactly what hayes was promised to be. Prolific shot blocked , rebounder and lob threat . Aka de Andre Jordan or Clint
He can be exactly what hayes was promised to be. Prolific shot blocked , rebounder and lob threat . Aka de Andre Jordan or Clint
Posted on 10/15/24 at 11:00 pm to supe12sta12z
I wouldn’t mind bringing back Adams. Not sure what it would cost us but he can still play and can be a big body that doesn’t need to command major minutes
Posted on 10/15/24 at 11:00 pm to BallHawk
Also, hope Elfrid makes the team
Posted on 10/15/24 at 11:03 pm to BallHawk
73% of BI's shots tonight were middies
Posted on 10/15/24 at 11:23 pm to shel311
Tonight was just preseason but damn, it is scary. My two main concerns with this team are the utter lack of a real NBA big man and Brandon Ingram still being on the team when it is obvious he isn’t in the long term plans.
Both of those fears came to pass tonight. We got destroyed in the paint. We were non competitive in there. Houston isn’t some team known for its great interior presences either. We were not competitive on the glass, yet had less steals. Ingram’s shot chart looks the exact same as last year. The offense had no flow. I stay say it is unbelievable that Griff has chosen to enter this season with a guy who he has no intentions to pay projected to play 38+ min per game with not one real nba big on the roster.
Both of those fears came to pass tonight. We got destroyed in the paint. We were non competitive in there. Houston isn’t some team known for its great interior presences either. We were not competitive on the glass, yet had less steals. Ingram’s shot chart looks the exact same as last year. The offense had no flow. I stay say it is unbelievable that Griff has chosen to enter this season with a guy who he has no intentions to pay projected to play 38+ min per game with not one real nba big on the roster.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 11:33 pm to shel311
73% isn’t a percentage that you can get when dividing by 13 total shots.
Did you watch the game?
He was 2-3 on threes
He was 2-3 in the paint on drives, and was fouled on two of the three times yet only got one call, and he was fouled on one of his made 3s that wasn’t called.
He was 3-7 on mid range shots, and all of them were around free throw distance, which to me are good mid range shots for him.
7 out of 13 is 54%, not 73%
CJ is 7-22 from 3 for 33% by the way. But who cares it’s preseason.
Did you watch the game?
He was 2-3 on threes
He was 2-3 in the paint on drives, and was fouled on two of the three times yet only got one call, and he was fouled on one of his made 3s that wasn’t called.
He was 3-7 on mid range shots, and all of them were around free throw distance, which to me are good mid range shots for him.
7 out of 13 is 54%, not 73%
CJ is 7-22 from 3 for 33% by the way. But who cares it’s preseason.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 11:39 pm to TeddyPadillac
The problem with everyone saying not to worry about these preseason results because our full roster hasn’t played together yet is that, historically, we hardly ever play with our full roster every season
Posted on 10/16/24 at 6:05 am to 3PieceSpicy
Wait, you can’t win in basketball without tall people? Weird. “Total shocker”
Our offensive process (coaching) has been terrible as well. Hell of a combination.
Our offensive process (coaching) has been terrible as well. Hell of a combination.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 7:57 am to TeddyPadillac
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CJ is 7-22 from 3 for 33% by the way. But who cares it’s preseason.
Why should we care that CJ is 7/22 from 3 in preseason? He is a veteran who shot 43% from 3 last year and 39% from three the year before. He also shot 50% from 3 in the first preseason game. I have zero concerns with CJ being successful from 3.
Now, Ingram's shot chart? Theiss having the worst +/- on the team and us getting absolutely destroyed in points in the paint? These preseason games did nothing but exacerbate my fears with this team. CJ's 3 point shooting might be the absolute least of my concerns.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 8:40 am to ThePistol
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Why should we care that CJ is 7/22 from 3 in preseason? He is a veteran who shot 43% from 3 last year and 39% from three the year before. He also shot 50% from 3 in the first preseason game. I have zero concerns with CJ being successful from 3.
I didn't say "but who cares it's the preseason" sarcastically. I meant it.
CJ could start the season shooting 30% from 3 for the fist 10 games and I still wouldn't care, and i'd tell him to keep shooting.
I would say what concerns me with these 3 PRESEASONS games, and i'll keep saying PRESEASON b/c it's PRESEASON and likely means nothing, but the offense looks no different than before. One of the things that stood out to me that Trey said a few days ago was how the offense was different. What Trey said was they didn't just have one option and if it didn't work then someone had to just make a play. That has been evident for quite some time. I say it all the time, they throw the ball to BI with under 8 seconds left on the shot clock and say "bail us out". That's our offense far too often. Zion said it first and Trey is reiterating it in the video below. They said there are more options and more reads and it isn't just one option and then someone trying to get a bucket.
I haven't seen that at all in the 3 preseason games. It looks exactly the same as before with a lot of one on one bail us out after the first look doesn't work. And what i've noticed, and i could be wrong b/c I'm not looking up preseason stats and shot charts, if they even have that, but it feels like the extra 3's we are taking aren't good catch and shoot 3's, and we are making crappy passes when we kick out. The first 3 BI hit last night, where he was fouled with no call, it was a terrible pass from Murray to a wide open BI, and really wasn't a good shot to take b/c of the bad pass b/c Brooks was in BI's face when he shot it, and BI couldn't catch the pass cleanly b/c it was behind him and at his feet. I've seen plenty of bad passes to a wide open CJ as well, and for him i expect him to still make them but we just aren't making it easy on ourselves with the crappy passing to open guys on the 3 point line.
It's such an underrated thing to do, to concentrate on making a good pass to a 3 point shooter which i guarantee helps them shoot a higher percentage. I don't expect Stockton out there, but a good PG knows his teammates and knows where they like to recieve the pass the get their shot up, whether it's a bounce pass or chest pass, left or right side, waist high or chest high. Again, i'm not expecting every kick out to have that kind of precision, but you can't just throw it out to a guy without looking and it go to his feet, or goes behind him or too far in front, or at his head. That half a second it takes for them to restart the shooting motion from the bad pass throws them off and allow the defender to challenge the shot.
1:15 mark is where he talks about "options"
Posted on 10/16/24 at 8:44 am to ThePistol
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Why should we care that CJ is 7/22 from 3 in preseason? He is a veteran who shot 43% from 3 last year and 39% from three the year before. He also shot 50% from 3 in the first preseason game. I have zero concerns with CJ being successful from 3.
Agreed
CJ like EVERY shooter has 'bad stretches'.
He also have elite ones.
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Now, Ingram's shot chart? Theiss having the worst +/- on the team and us getting absolutely destroyed in points in the paint? These preseason games did nothing but exacerbate my fears with this team. CJ's 3 point shooting might be the absolute least of my concerns.
I want to complain about Ingram, but he didn't force anything. sought after his 3's, and settled for good quality shots too.
Theiss is worrisome, esp since we haven't seen Karlo either.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:26 am to htran90
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I want to complain about Ingram, but he didn't force anything.
This is kind of the problem. He needs to force 3's and force getting to the rim. His comfort zone is the midrange. The problem is he can't operate in that zone when Zion is on the court. We need Zion in that mid post area and we need BI to be able to provide space. I understand that Zion wasn't on the court last night but BI looked the exact same to me. We also now have Dejounte that operates in those same areas. It is going to be clunky for a while I'm afraid. The fit issues are real and they are scary.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:32 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:The Pelicans were 24-7 last season when their 3pt rate was above league average and 25-26 when it was below league average
6-21 from 3. Ugly. But hey you guys are happy right b/c we are shooting 40 a game?
The 77.4% win% was 2nd best in the league, only to the Celtics.
This post was edited on 10/18/24 at 11:34 am
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