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re: Pels vs Suns: No no
Posted on 12/17/22 at 11:34 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 12/17/22 at 11:34 pm to GynoSandberg
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They scored 30 points off extra possessions, Pels lose by 4. This is where games are won and lost. Control what you can control and you win this ballgame
you're legit just nit-picking 1 stat to try and prove a point lol when a team shoots better from the field (by 10+%), ft line, and 3 pt line (by 10+%) while out-rebounding the opponent, they should never lose any basketball game at any level. THOSE are the main controllables. in fact, i went back a few days of nba games (probably could've gone the whole season and far into last season as well) and could not find 1 instance where a team shot THAT much better from every level, out-rebounded the opposition, and still lost. do the pels wish they would've legit won every single stat in the books? sure. especially so people like you couldn't just point to one stat and say omg we should've won them ALL! but again, the pels out-played phx tonight overall despite an absurd booker game. so when the refs decide to award the suns 22 more FTs, therefore giving them the win, yes it's their fault. it's not even some kind of far-fetched opinion. just watch the game as booker is lowering his shoulder and getting and 1s while zion cant buy a whistle as 3 suns foul him on the way to the rim, and then check the box-score and you'll realize (maybe not since you seem to be a suns fan) how the refs decided this one
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Posted on 12/17/22 at 11:35 pm to jprdbulldog20
Z turned the ball over 6 times tonight.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 11:46 pm to jprdbulldog20
The name of the game is points. You don’t seem to understand what an extra possession is worth. Why don’t ya look back on at a few days worth of games and tell us how many times the winning team won the offensive glass and turnover battle?
Can’t control this. These boys are going to burn the tape and get better by fixing their mistakes, not crying about coulda woulda shoulda ambiguous officiating. Loser mentality
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booker is lowering his shoulder and getting and 1s while zion cant buy a whistle as 3 suns foul him on the way to the rim
Can’t control this. These boys are going to burn the tape and get better by fixing their mistakes, not crying about coulda woulda shoulda ambiguous officiating. Loser mentality
Posted on 12/17/22 at 11:53 pm to NFLSUtiger
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Can’t believe we didn’t run offense through Jonas more. No Ayton and he’s cooking in the first. He got two shot attempts the rest of the game.
This says one of two things, no matter whatever bullshite anyone on Twitter or on this board thinks or says:
- Either Willie is just THAT inept at making adjustments (he does struggle with this at times, especially in game)
- or the staff, including Willie, just don’t trust Jonas enough to put him out there for longer stretches or to get him the ball more. To me, despite us wanting Jonas to be traded, this could be the biggest clue into Jonas’ future on this team.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 11:58 pm to GynoSandberg
And I’m not saying the game was officiating correctly
What I am saying is, you cannot rely on them to win you a game by putting you in a free throw advantage. Follow the league long enough to know this isn’t the last time we get to the line significantly less than an opponent. This is still a game we should have won
What I am saying is, you cannot rely on them to win you a game by putting you in a free throw advantage. Follow the league long enough to know this isn’t the last time we get to the line significantly less than an opponent. This is still a game we should have won
Posted on 12/17/22 at 11:58 pm to WicKed WayZ
He got in foul trouble.
Posted on 12/18/22 at 12:04 am to GynoSandberg
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The name of the game is points
your argument has been so weak that i'm surprised you didn't just leave it at this and say check the last few days and how many winning teams scored more points
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Why don’t ya look back on at a few days worth of games and tell us how many times the winning team won the offensive glass and turnover battle?
this argument is no where near as strong as a team having 10+% higher from the field, 10+% higher from 3, and more rebs. but i'll check just to prove how dumb your take is
today there were 7 games. you know how many times the winning team won both the offensive glass and turnover battle? 3 out of 7
yesterday there were 10 games. you know how many times the winning team won both the offensive glass and turnover battle? 4 out of 10
the day before there were 4 games. you know how many times the winning team won both the offensive glass and turnover battle? 1 out of 4
so over the past 3 days of games, the winning team won both the offensive glass and turnover battle 8 out of 21 times. you're latching onto a couple stats when combined that aren't even over 50% predictive of the winner the past few days while i'm pointing out how teams who win all the actual most important predictive controllables (fg%, 3 pt%, ft%, rebs), should win nearly 100% of the time
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Can’t control this
i agree the pels cant control the officiating. that doesn't mean fans cant watch the game, check the box score, and realize wow the refs were the main reason why we lost tonight. it's not a loser mentality. it's simply the facts. you can both acknowledge the pels weren't absolutely perfect in every facet of the game and also realize they overall out-played phoenix, and with just average officiating tonight would've won this game
Posted on 12/18/22 at 12:14 am to supe12sta12z
Sometimes it’s obvious who actually watches the games vs those that just look at the post game stat sheets
Posted on 12/18/22 at 12:16 am to GynoSandberg
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And I’m not saying the game was officiating correctly
What I am saying is, you cannot rely on them to win you a game by putting you in a free throw advantage. Follow the league long enough to know this isn’t the last time we get to the line significantly less than an opponent. This is still a game we should have won
it's just so dumb to try and nit-pick certain areas that we weren't flawless. you can legit nit-pick and point to one or two specific stats in any box score and say team X should've done this better. sure the pels would've liked the offensive rebounding and turnover battles to be close, but it's extremely difficult to beat a great team in every statistical category at their place. however, as ive been saying the entire time, the pels overall out-played phx and deserved a win with competent officiating
Posted on 12/18/22 at 12:18 am to whatiknowsofar
Tough loss, free throw disparity was a factor but not the biggest factor. Game was lost on the boards and offense going stagnant the second half. Pels get pounded on the boards when Val is out of the game and spread out and hunted when he is in. Also the team went completely away from ball and player movement in the second half, a lot of stationary ball watching on the offensive end. No bueno ... Tough game ahead against the Bucks in Milwaukee.
Posted on 12/18/22 at 12:33 am to jprdbulldog20
Apologies for the “pussy” comment. Tough loss. Def not a Suns fan.
Maybe there is something to the officiating. I just don’t like blaming that unless it’s Saints/Rams level or even Suns/Pels Game 6 level hosery.
I did notice Booker ran over Jose and got ft’s. I was wondering why that wasn’t challenged. Also, the play Zion got ripped and fell on in the first half, he def got swiped on the arm by Bridges. I thought those 2 were egregious. I also think if we tighten up a couple things on our end, we win by double digits, so I’m a bit frustrated at the team as well.
Maybe there is something to the officiating. I just don’t like blaming that unless it’s Saints/Rams level or even Suns/Pels Game 6 level hosery.
I did notice Booker ran over Jose and got ft’s. I was wondering why that wasn’t challenged. Also, the play Zion got ripped and fell on in the first half, he def got swiped on the arm by Bridges. I thought those 2 were egregious. I also think if we tighten up a couple things on our end, we win by double digits, so I’m a bit frustrated at the team as well.
Posted on 12/18/22 at 12:56 am to 3PieceSpicy
From a tweet, In the 2nd half, Zion had 24 points and 5 assists and missed zero shots.
Posted on 12/18/22 at 1:05 am to 3PieceSpicy
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Apologies for the “pussy” comment. Tough loss. Def not a Suns fan.
Maybe there is something to the officiating. I just don’t like blaming that unless it’s Saints/Rams level or even Suns/Pels Game 6 level hosery.
I did notice Booker ran over Jose and got ft’s. I was wondering why that wasn’t challenged. Also, the play Zion got ripped and fell on in the first half, he def got swiped on the arm by Bridges. I thought those 2 were egregious. I also think if we tighten up a couple things on our end, we win by double digits, so I’m a bit frustrated at the team as well.
it's all good. we're all frustrated rn. i just have a hard time getting mad at the team when i feel like the team genuinely out-played phx (despite being on the road and booker having one of his best games as a pro) even though it wasn't a perfect game by any means. you can point to some aspect of the game that the pels could've been better and could tighten things up in any game including wins. but this game just felt like the refs were horrendous. there were those 2 plays you pointed out for starters. and just during that phx run (pels up 24 before it), there were seemingly tons of questionable at best calls. they called dyson for traveling right in front of the pels bench and the camera showed willie talking to the refs right after saying he put the ball down. replay never showed a great angle of it but they said cj stepped out on the baseline right before an easy layup. booker got an and 1 on nance that seemed borderline live. nance moving screen that he even told the refs how bad of a call it was right after. booker running over dyson and called an and 1. larry given a tech for some nonsense that even pels announcers said was awful. zion called for a travel on a play he does all the time with a quick jab to one side and dribble to the other side. then seems like a clean contest by zion on a booker jumper but booker flops and is given more FTs. then the play you referenced where booker trucks jose and gets more FTs. then zion def looked like he was fouled the possession after but made the shot anyway. then they give booker another and 1 on a drive when he kinda went right by zion and didnt seem like zion touched him. cj then called for a touch foul on bridges which put them on the line cause suns were already in bonus with over 7 min left in 4th i believe after it looked like bridges walked on a quick first step like the one they had just called on zion not long ago. then there was a play where okogie got an o-reb and zion didnt look to touch him at all but they gave okogie FTs. and then at the end paul looked to have elbowed zion without a call. those are the ones i remember just by looking at the play-by-play
some or maybe most of those with replays and the right angles shown could've been actual correct calls, but they all seemed pretty questionable at best and seemed to aid the phx comeback. either way though, i dont see how anyone would disagree that the officiating was pretty one-sided tonight given the total FT count and where each team was taking their shots. not sure on the exact amount of drives numbers but sure seemed like zion had more drives to the rim with more contact than booker yet booker ends up with over double the amount of FTs as zion. that just should never happen
This post was edited on 12/18/22 at 1:06 am
Posted on 12/18/22 at 8:21 am to jprdbulldog20
some or maybe most of those with replays and the right angles shown could've been actual correct calls, but they all seemed pretty questionable at best and seemed to aid the phx comeback. either way though, i dont see how anyone would disagree that the officiating was pretty one-sided tonight given the total FT count and where each team was taking their shots. not sure on the exact amount of drives numbers but sure seemed like zion had more drives to the rim with more contact than booker yet booker ends up with over double the amount of FTs as zion. that just should never happen
Don’t forget Booker was the only one driving to the basket.
CJ, Zion, Naji, Jose, Larry, and Jonas were all attacking the rim.
Don’t forget Booker was the only one driving to the basket.
CJ, Zion, Naji, Jose, Larry, and Jonas were all attacking the rim.
This post was edited on 12/18/22 at 8:21 am
Posted on 12/18/22 at 12:09 pm to GynoSandberg
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They scored 30 points off extra possessions, Pels lose by 4. This is where games are won and lost. Control what you can control and you win this ballgame
This.
Posted on 12/18/22 at 12:10 pm to shel311
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From a tweet, In the 2nd half, Zion had 24 points and 5 assists and missed zero shots.
He had a few costly turnovers. 6 for the night.
Posted on 12/18/22 at 12:20 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
He had 3 in the 4th but considering his offensive output, it's not unreasonable . We had like 7 points from the team outside of Zion in the 4th. It's unreasonable to put any blame on Zion on offense when he pretty much played the entire quarter.
Posted on 12/18/22 at 2:06 pm to supe12sta12z
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He had 3 in the 4th but considering his offensive output, it's not unreasonable
Sure, it’s not unreasonable but it crunch time is a window into what the playoffs could look like. Pels can’t afford that. Hopefully we see the big 3 together before Christmas
Posted on 12/18/22 at 2:19 pm to supe12sta12z
quote:He can have 6 turnovers every half for the rest of the season and I'll be elated if he also has 24 and 5 with zero misses in every half as well.
He had 3 in the 4th but considering his offensive output, it's not unreasonable
Posted on 12/18/22 at 2:25 pm to GynoSandberg
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The name of the game is points. You don’t seem to understand what an extra possession is worth.
An extra possession is worth less than 2 free throws.
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