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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 6/10/24 at 6:01 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 6/10/24 at 6:01 pm to Dantheman504
Murray is not worth that much, and I’m not attaching picks to BI for a Murray/Allen return
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 6:56 pm to Soggymoss
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I’m not attaching picks to BI for a Murray/Allen return
You think BI without picks is worth both JA and Murray? I havent folowed everything thats why I’m asking. I could have missed something here.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 7:02 pm to Pels_Yaz
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You think BI without picks is worth both JA and Murray? I havent folowed everything thats why I’m asking. I could have missed something here.
Not necessarily, but neither player is an upgrade to BI.
I don’t think we should add picks if we’re not getting an upgrade. Now if it were BI+picks for Trae and Allen then absolutely
Posted on 6/10/24 at 7:08 pm to Soggymoss
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Now if it were BI+picks for Trae and Allen then absolutely
To me it would really depend on the picks your sending out if your trading BI for Murray/Allen. Personally I wouldn’t attach any 2025 picks but this year’s 21st- yeah they can take that.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 7:12 pm to Soggymoss
Geezus Christ dude, you been in here shitting up this thread for a month
Posted on 6/10/24 at 7:15 pm to smoke225
Sir, this is a Wendys
And I’ll be in here for another month shitting it up too. Why? Because I can, that’s why. That’s the point of threads on a message board
And I’ll be in here for another month shitting it up too. Why? Because I can, that’s why. That’s the point of threads on a message board
This post was edited on 6/10/24 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 6/10/24 at 7:29 pm to Dantheman504
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What don't you like about that from our perspective?
Pretty much all of it.
There is no trade I’d make with Houston sending BI out. I don’t want anything they have in a BI trade, and I sure as shite wouldn’t be sending out picks too.
Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:05 pm to TeddyPadillac
I’d take Sengun but we know they aren’t coming off of him
Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:26 pm to smoke225
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I’d take Sengun but we know they aren’t coming off of him
yup, they'll build around sengun before building around jalen green.
He is literally mimicking DLo's early career while Sengun has become Sabonis-lite.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:21 am to htran90
The most annoying thing about this thread is it would be unnecessary if BI wasn't so stubborn.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:32 am to ghost2most
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The most annoying thing about this thread is it would be unnecessary if BI wasn't so stubborn.
I agree fully.
If he just shot more 3s when Zion was on the floor (which he has done before) and ran the show on the 2nd unit here or there, it would be ideal.
But ego is a powerful drug.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:29 am to Soggymoss
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Not necessarily, but neither player is an upgrade to BI. I don’t think we should add picks if we’re not getting an upgrade. Now if it were BI+picks for Trae and Allen then absolutely
Neither may be a direct upgrade, but surely the team would be better replacing JV/BI with JA/Murray.
Still want to aim higher though.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 9:11 am to ghost2most
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The most annoying thing about this thread is it would be unnecessary if BI wasn't so stubborn.
This is what infuriates me the most about BI and why I don't cut him any slack compared to a guy like CJ.
Most of CJ's deficiencies are not within his control, no matter how hard he tries he'll always be a bad defender due to his size. Meanwhile he's willing to do whatever is in his control to help his team like change his shot diet and take more 3s.
Everything we want BI to do more of is COMPLETELY within his control and we've even seen him do some of it. You know how hard it is to be a bad defender at 6'8 with a 7'3 wingspan? Yet BI sucks at defense because he just doesnt care. We need to shoot more 3s and we've even seen BI do it on this team in previous seasons yet he'd rather dribble into the lane and take a contested midrange shot.
He is theoretically an amazing fit on this team but that's not what HE wants to do. He's the definition of a ME first player and will be a career loser because of it
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:17 am to Balsamic_duck
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Most of CJ's deficiencies are not within his control, no matter how hard he tries he'll always be a bad defender due to his size.
Explain how Jose can be so much better at defense, even in one on one situations against bigger guys, than CJ is?
I agree it's not in his control, but his size isn't why he isn't good at defense. Jrue is basically the same size as CJ, just about 10lbs heavier. He just doesn't have instictual defensive abilities. Some guys do, most guys don't. And I"m not saying CJ is an idiot, he just doesn't think/react quick enough when he's on defense to be a better defender, and i'm sure he doesn't put in the work like Herb does to study what everyone's tendencies are and how to defend them the most efficient way. And i'm not asking him to go do all of that either.
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Meanwhile he's willing to do whatever is in his control to help his team like change his shot diet and take more 3s.
I've shown you all the stats when he's the #2 guy and when he's the #3 guy. It's a hell of a lot easier to just shoot 3's when you're the #3. Stop acting like he made this huge change just out of the blue. BI/Zion being healthy made him a role player instead of a #2 scorer, and his shot chart looks more like Trey's instead of BI's b/c of it. Remove BI or Zion and he goes back to shooting more mid range shots, and the stats proved that this year when BI or Zion were out. I've shown that before.
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You know how hard it is to be a bad defender at 6'8 with a 7'3 wingspan? Yet BI sucks at defense because he just doesnt care.
I thought the biggest improvement BI made this year was his defense, and his effort on defense. Don't let the last 4 games mar what he did over this season. He made a game saving block on a Wemby putback.
He was in the top 25% in the league in isolation defense. 3rd on the team right behind Naji and Herb. I think you saw him care about playing defense a whole lot more this year than in the past, especially late in games.
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We need to shoot more 3s and we've even seen BI do it on this team in previous seasons yet he'd rather dribble into the lane and take a contested midrange shot.
Yes. We do. Zion/JV/Larry shoot a combined 3 three pointers a game. That's a problem.
And YES BI needs to shoot more 3's. I think what you saw from him this past year is him wanting to be a creator and distributor of the ball more, and that took away from him being more aggressive as a scorer. He tended to try to get into the lane and look to get to the goal or make a pass for an open 3 and when that didn't happen, then he resorts to fadeaway mid range shots. He tried to play too much dribble dribble PG instead of just being a scorer first and getting assists off his scoring. It's like he was more probing the defense this year instead of attacking it, and I think he could have the same impact assist wise if he simply attacked more. BI is a lot like Zion when he attacks the rim with a head of steam. He's so fricking long and it's incredibly hard to stop him from getting a bucket when he is attacking the lane with some speed instead of probing around.
I think if BI is on this team next year, we'll see more 3's from him.
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He's the definition of a ME first player and will be a career loser because of it
BI took the least amount of shots this past year since he's been here, almost 3 shots less a game than last year. That's not what ME first players do.
I think the gameplan this year for him was to be the PG, and i think he and everyone else realized that's not what he's best suited to do on this team.
This is not what ME first players say.
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“I’ll be honest,” Ingram said. “This was, from USA up to this season, probably the worst I’ve been in a New Orleans Pelicans uniform. I’m motivated by that. I can go back and blame coaches, I can blame everybody else but myself, but I’ve got to go look myself in the mirror and tell myself what I can do to really help this team, how can I help the coaches, and how do I get the fans in New Orleans to believe in us again? That’s my job, that’s my task. That’s what I’ll be thinking about over the summer. Come back (next season) and leave it all on the line. If I do that, and come up short, or if I win the whole thing, I’ll know I did everything I could to be who I want to be.”
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:40 am to TeddyPadillac
It's not even that complicated.
Shoot more 3s and less mid range.
Eliminate fadeaway shots completely.
Sell fouls.
If he did those three things, I'd consider him staying.
Shoot more 3s and less mid range.
Eliminate fadeaway shots completely.
Sell fouls.
If he did those three things, I'd consider him staying.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:53 am to TeddyPadillac
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Explain how Jose can be so much better at defense, even in one on one situations against bigger guys, than CJ is?
He's quicker, but he was fricking abused in the playoffs. CJ is slightly bigger but not nearly as athletic. But we can't ignore how bad Jose is in playoff-type situations. He's borderline unplayable on defense.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:01 am to ghost2most
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Shoot more 3s and less mid range.
Eliminate fadeaway shots completely.
He shoots 52% on turnaround fadeaways. It's his best mid range shot type he takes. Most of you just ignore it when he makes it.
He shoots 52% on pull up mid range shots.
He shoots 30% on pullup 3's, yet we had people wanting him to come down the court and take pull up 3's all year, something he's literally never been good at.
His 38% on C&S threes is clearly better than any mid range shot, but there will always be a place for mid range shots, and if he is just more selective in the type of mid range shot he takes it's fine.
And yes i want him taking more C&S 3's.
BI shot 57% off of screens this year. That was good enough to be in the top 15% in the nba.
Get him off the ball and run more sets for him coming off screens.
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Sell fouls.
I do want to see him do this more. I think he thought he needed to bulk up more, which he did, and be stronger at the rim, and while it's helped him finish at the rim better, he needs to sell the contact more at times. Know who's gaurding you and know when you can get the refs to give you the call or when you need to be strong through contact. NBA refs are irrationally bias when it comes to who has earned the right to be more aggressive defensively without calling fouls on them.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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He's quicker, but he was fricking abused in the playoffs
He was. It wasn't a good matchup for him against OKC. SGA, Williams and Giddy are big gaurds that all use their body to get shots.
He was awesome against CP3.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:06 am to Soggymoss
quote:You don't think the Pels are an improved team the moment that trade is made?
and I’m not attaching picks to BI for a Murray/Allen return
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:11 am to TeddyPadillac
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He was awesome against CP3.
CP3 is a dying breed, though
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