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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 6/17/24 at 8:31 am to shel311
Posted on 6/17/24 at 8:31 am to shel311
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Which is funny because nothing has happened lol.
No player movement has happened but we are in the process of losing our coaching staff outside Willie.
The perception is that any coaches who had to deal with BI won’t want him in their new jobs.
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 8:36 am to teke184
quote:
The perception is that any coaches who had to deal with BI won’t want him in their new jobs.
There have also been numerous reports coming out of Cleveland that they dont want anything to do with paying BI a max. (This could also be posturing but /shrug ).
Its F5 and lie season, but one thing seems to be becoming certain is that BI going out for an All-Star is becoming less likely.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 8:37 am to teke184
quote:
The perception is that any coaches who had to deal with BI won’t want him in their new jobs.
And the funny thing is that we don't know that at all, but most of us believe that perception. Because...well...
We are familiar with his play
Posted on 6/17/24 at 8:38 am to 50_Tiger
I want a good fit more than an all star.
Dollar quarter dime theory is what it is but I want something that fits together right rather than throwing shite against a wall and praying it works.
Dollar quarter dime theory is what it is but I want something that fits together right rather than throwing shite against a wall and praying it works.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 8:48 am to 50_Tiger
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Its F5 and lie season, but one thing seems to be becoming certain is that BI going out for an All-Star is becoming less likely.
Absolutely nothing has changed.
The only (2) allstars "available" are Trae and Mitchell. Mitchell solely dependent on himself.
Our other (3) options Garland/ Allen/ Murray are very much open. A trade for Trae is still very much open.
No one wants to pay BI the MAX at the COST of a trade.
No team wants to give up (1-2) 1st and (2) young players or (1) star for a max BI.
They want to spend less assets if they have to max BI or guarantee a lesser valued deal before giving away assets. That's the game, that's the hold up.
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 8:49 am
Posted on 6/17/24 at 8:52 am to teke184
quote:
I want a good fit more than an all star.
Dollar quarter dime theory is what it is but I want something that fits together right rather than throwing shite against a wall and praying it works.
I've been thinking lately a lot about how knowing if Trey can be a true #2 or #3 is more desirable over keeping something that you already know. Depending on if the team is willing to take a step back for a year to figure this all out might mean we take three steps forward in the future.
Regardless if you let BI walk for nothing (worse case), we would have a max slot available as soon as this next offseason. So I think if I were Griff, it would be my prime operative to figure out:
Is Trey a #2 or #3
Can Dyson and Hawk give real minutes
Does this years draft pick (assuming we take) has a decent role going forward.
Assuming the test cases are answered above, who do we need to expand what we know to be true. For instance, if Trey's ceiling is a great #3, then our search should pivot to finding a #2.
If Hawk or Dyson (or both for that matter) give significant value to the team from the bench can we then use some money for a few years to fix any other holes.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:01 am to Dantheman504
If BI's value @ 100% = (4) 1st
Then BI w/ max contract = 125% (4) 1st and max
Teams wants to trsde (3) 1st w/ max contract to = 100% value instead of overpaying.
That's why we hear Houston/ Detroit/ Magic/ Spurs thrown around. A Trade helps them regardless and they have the cap space. They aren't worried about the (125%).
Then BI w/ max contract = 125% (4) 1st and max
Teams wants to trsde (3) 1st w/ max contract to = 100% value instead of overpaying.
That's why we hear Houston/ Detroit/ Magic/ Spurs thrown around. A Trade helps them regardless and they have the cap space. They aren't worried about the (125%).
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:04 am to 50_Tiger
2025 offseason -
Actual cap allocations-
$40m Zion (non guaranteed)
$30.67m CJ
$14m Herb
$7.7m Dyson (TO)
$4.7m Hawkins (TO)
$2.48 Ryan (TO)
$2.3m Liddell (TO)
Trey’s new contract, this year’s first, and several roster charges also go here, so that is $101.85 for all contracts, plus about $5m in roster charges, plus Trey’s new deal, plus a guaranteed pick slotted at 21 as of now, so probably in the $140 range.
That doesn’t appear to be max money short of moving CJ, even if the cap keeps increasing.
Actual cap allocations-
$40m Zion (non guaranteed)
$30.67m CJ
$14m Herb
$7.7m Dyson (TO)
$4.7m Hawkins (TO)
$2.48 Ryan (TO)
$2.3m Liddell (TO)
Trey’s new contract, this year’s first, and several roster charges also go here, so that is $101.85 for all contracts, plus about $5m in roster charges, plus Trey’s new deal, plus a guaranteed pick slotted at 21 as of now, so probably in the $140 range.
That doesn’t appear to be max money short of moving CJ, even if the cap keeps increasing.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:16 am to teke184
quote:
$101.85 for all contracts, plus about $5m in roster charges, plus Trey’s new deal, plus a guaranteed pick slotted at 21 as of now, so probably in the $140 range.
Trey isn't getting more than 30mil and the (21st) pick will get less than 5mil
Should be closer to 132 mil
Which would give us 40 mil for upgrades/ assets. If you throw in CJ then we would have (70 mil) cap space with:
Dyson/
Herb/ Hawk
Trey/ Ryan
Zion/ Liddell
21st pick/
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:19 am to 50_Tiger
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Is Trey a #2 or #3
Can Dyson and Hawk give real minutes
Does this years draft pick (assuming we take) has a decent role going forward.
Trey can replace CJ's production in the starting lineup. I like Murray because he can replace BI's productivity while adding more ball handling and 3 point attempts.
With Trey replacing CJ in the starting lineup, you only need Hawkins to replace Trey's bench production. You almost need to move CJ to let Hawkins grow into that role.
You would be trying to moneyball BI and CJ, but I think you have the pieces to do it assuming you can get at least Murray for BI.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:22 am to TigerinATL
I think to myself, well at least this will all be over now in like 9 days. Then I remember that Donovan Mitchell wasn't traded until like September.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:26 am to Fun Bunch
Yeah, I think that there's a 50-50 chance it gets done on draft night, but no more than that.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:31 am to Fun Bunch
BI's value sucks because teams realize all he'll do is get you to purgatory.
He's the Derek Carr of NBA players. Not a real star and just good enough to get you to mediocre.
Any team that maxes BI will never win shite.
He's the Derek Carr of NBA players. Not a real star and just good enough to get you to mediocre.
Any team that maxes BI will never win shite.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:33 am to ghost2most
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BI's value sucks because teams realize all he'll do is get you to purgatory.
Yeah to me, it has become really apparent that we are looking to trade him a year too late.
His value has to be at its lowest
Posted on 6/17/24 at 9:33 am to GOP_Tiger
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Yeah, I think that there's a 50-50 chance it gets done on draft night, but no more than that.
To reference Frank Drebin, “They say Nordberg’s got a 50-50 shot, but there is only a 10% chance of that.”
Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:29 am to teke184
quote:So like I said, nothing has happened.
The perception is that any coaches who had to deal with BI won’t want him in their new jobs.
The perceptions from fans is entirely irrelevant.
Nothing has happened as of right now that should make us fear anything with a BI trade.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:37 am to 50_Tiger
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There have also been numerous reports coming out of Cleveland that they dont want anything to do with paying BI a max. (This could also be posturing but /shrug ).
This can be a good thing, meaning we don’t need to give him a max either if we keep him. Let the market dictate what his extension should be.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:53 am to Fun Bunch
Saw this on twitter. Not looking good.
A poster on a hawks site makes a good point. If BI value is this low, just hang on to him and extend him and look to dump CJ. Maybe rehab his value some and trade down the line.
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I have been told that the league views BI as 75% of Siakam -- as far as a trade asset (vs Siakam when Pacers got him) Raptors got a solid rotation guy on a bad contract (Brown), a C-minus first and a D first in a bad draft, and a B-minus future first for Siakam
A poster on a hawks site makes a good point. If BI value is this low, just hang on to him and extend him and look to dump CJ. Maybe rehab his value some and trade down the line.
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 10:57 am
Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:56 am to Townedrunkard
quote:Who said this?
I have been told that the league views BI as 75% of Siakam -- as far as a trade asset (vs Siakam when Pacers got him) Raptors got a solid rotation guy on a bad contract (Brown), a C-minus first and a D first in a bad draft, and a B-minus future first for Siakam
quote:Nah, disagree. Take the best BI offer we can get, even if it's not good. That's the best route forward IMO.
A poster on a hawks site makes a good point. If BI value is this low, just hang on to him and extend him and look to dump CJ. Maybe rehab his value some and trade down the line.
Keeping BI and trading CJ would not be good, unless Trey is shooting 20 3s per game
It should be trade BI/keep CJ or trade both...no other options IMO.
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 10:57 am
Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:59 am to shel311
quote:Didn't feel like waiting so i searched it on Twitter, it's Mac
I have been told that the league views BI as 75% of Siakam -- as far as a trade asset (vs Siakam when Pacers got him) Raptors got a solid rotation guy on a bad contract (Brown), a C-minus first and a D first in a bad draft, and a B-minus future first for Siakam
Who said this?
Man, you guys gotta stop believing the shite he's making up, this is wild that you're still falling for it.
ETA: Just did a quick perusal of his latest tweets. He's getting you folks all riled up by saying all the BI "offers are trash"
He has no earthly clue what all the offers are, and let's be honest, we haven't received all the offers for BI or even close to it.
He's quite literally just saying shite to have Pels fans freak out. Stop falling for it.
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 11:01 am
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