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re: The real path forward
Posted on 11/18/25 at 1:24 pm to SouthMSReb
Posted on 11/18/25 at 1:24 pm to SouthMSReb
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This is basically what I was getting at in a nutshell.
We never do a full scale rebuild like we should. It’s what I wanted to do after we drafted Zion. Instead Griff tried to do a two timelines thing and win during Zion’s rookie year. We should have tanked for at least a couple more years to put more top 5 picks around zion
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Posted on 11/18/25 at 1:31 pm to Dantheman504
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You keep Trey. He will continue to get better.
I don’t see him getting any better. He is what he is. A tall spot up shooter. Doesn’t defend. No handles. Not a playmaker. He’s really a dime a dozen type of player in the NBA now. If you can fool some team into giving you something decent, I would trade him in a heartbeat
Posted on 11/18/25 at 1:37 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Typical Dan. Person makes a standard reply and he drops a "OK WHAT THE DO YOU WANT???
Brother I am not mad at all.. I didn't even bold that statement and the exaggeration was in reference to the clear lack of resolve, not specifically what Muddogs said.
You are the exact type of person who ends up getting called "retarded" for responses like this instead of simply responding like Muddogs did with clarification. Its crazy how he just gave a simple response and I simply liked his message instead of him getting butthurt because of the "way I said something" and then it ending with someone being called retarded.
All you have to do is not be sensitive or emotional, its really not hard.
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But when you go around calling everyone a fricking retard all the time it gets pretty old. Dude has become more tiresome than Yaz was
If I hurt you in the past I'm not sorry because I literally don't remember. But being completely honest I've been pretty chill on here as of late and only shite talk extreme pessimists. This is like the 3rd time you've jumped on me and tried to bring up past stuff to egg it on. Its weird and trying to compare me to Yaz and othera is just dumb. Are you the guy who called me "literally the worst poster on here"? Laughable.
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In his defense, nothing wrong with trying to be positive about the team you pull for.
But thank you.
This post was edited on 11/18/25 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 11/18/25 at 1:56 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I think he's just mad because before the season started he had the Pels as a team with 3 potential all stars and this gem of a take..
The funniest thing about this post is that I made sure to clarify that those standings were with HEALTHY rosters and that any of the (3) Z/ Poole/ Trey can be all stars and agreed it is unlikely/ impossible that all 3 are. I'm also pretty sure I responded the last time you called me out and said its been underwhelming and disappointing.
So at this point you just sound like a bitch. But atleast not retarded.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 1:59 pm to Dantheman504
quote:I keep hearing this BS. Dude is a role player at best
You keep Trey. He will continue to get better
Posted on 11/18/25 at 2:09 pm to BowDownToLSU
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I keep hearing this BS. Dude is a role player at best
Trey is perfect as the 3rd best player on a team, and he is paid that way also.
Trey is the least of the problems on this team
Posted on 11/18/25 at 2:15 pm to SouthMSReb
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The real path forward
Sell the team. No one cares about the Pelicans and its obvious by what Gale keeps putting out there
Posted on 11/18/25 at 2:19 pm to SouthMSReb
Yeah!
No
No
Posted on 11/18/25 at 2:21 pm to TigerBait2008
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Yeah!
No
Good point.
Why would we drag this on? What about this season has been fun? It's time to blow it up and build around two exciting rookies.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 3:02 pm to brmark70816
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How is he more valuable than guys like Dillon Brooks or Thybulle?
Thybull and Herb are making similar money but Dillon is getting double that. Dillon justifies the money with his offensive production and contributions to wins. What I was talking about is more internal for the Pels. Husky and Tre are getting what 36 and 25 ? and have had marginal results with the team and both pretty bad on the defense, that the NBA is tilting to. Herb's defense is a known quantity for a team that needs help on that side of the ball for 12.
This post was edited on 11/18/25 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 11/18/25 at 3:19 pm to BowDownToLSU
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You keep Trey. He will continue to get better
I keep hearing this BS. Dude is a role player at best
He for sure has the potential to be a #3 but I agree that #1/ #2 are out of the conversation. The dude can score 30+ pts any given night but cannot be "the man". Its interesting because I've never seen someone who can take over a game with their shot that simultaneously can't facilitate or run the offense under any capacity.
I just don't see Treys value going down in the next 1-2 years for it to be worth it to trade him now. Even if you don't trust him you still plan for Fears/ Queen / etcc to pass him up and keep him as a role player on a good contract for what he can do. You just don't give him that next contract in 4 years and make sure to trade him before he's an expiring.
If the Pelicans were smart they would keep Bey/ Trey for the foreseeable future as they are actual 3pt scorers with a pulse.
This post was edited on 11/18/25 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 11/18/25 at 3:34 pm to ScoopAndScore
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He is what he is. A tall spot up shooter. Doesn’t defend. No handles
This ignores the problem. Trey is worth his contract on the roster IF he is maximized. We should not get rid of Trey until we see a sample size with Murray IMO. Trey is supposed to be our #4 and is currently forced to be our #1. Is he doing a good job? Absolutely not but he should not be scapegoated just because he's the one playing.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 6:51 pm to brmark70816
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I'll never understand this theory. How is he more valuable than guys like Dillon Brooks or Thybulle?
Let me try and help Mark. The theory you referenced was that Herb may be the best trade asset the PELS have. Then you mention Brooks and Thybulle. Not sure if you know, but Brooks and Thybulle are not currently members of the New Orleans Pelicans. So not sure what you're talking about. And Herb is in a lot of ways maybe our most valuable trade asset, because a lot of teams (championship contending teams) may well need a very good perimeter defender, which Herb is, and someone who is more than happy to be a bystander on offense. These teams tend to over pay because they are trying to win a championship this year. His salary also is pretty reasonable. So he will absolutely be in demand.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:07 pm to LSUgrad88
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The theory you referenced was that Herb may be the best trade asset the PELS have
Jones wouldn't be in the top 5 of our best trade assets. Zion, Murphy, Missi, both rookies and our 2027 1st rounder are all worth more than him. He's one dimensional any rapidly declining. He was awful last year, before he got hurt, and he's bad this year. He can only live on past glory so long. He should legitimately be coming off the bench right now.
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Then you mention Brooks and Thybulle. Not sure if you know, but Brooks and Thybulle are not currently members of the New Orleans Pelicans.
I'm referencing trade value and pointing out similar players. There isn't a Blazer fan alive that thinks they can trade Thybulle for a package of 1sts. Yet people on here are convinced we'd get a windfall by moving Jones. It's just not true.
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These teams tend to over pay because they are trying to win a championship this year. His salary also is pretty reasonable. So he will absolutely be in demand.
Map it out. How is he joining any of these teams and what are they giving up? Most have very limited draft picks and we'll have to take back significant salary to make a trade work. I don't see a bountiful scenario out there. But maybe you've heard something different..
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:10 pm to brmark70816
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Jones wouldn't be in the top 5 of our best trade assets. Zion, Murphy, Missi, both rookies and our 2027 1st rounder are all worth more than him.
I'm gonna assume you're being serious...so I'll just try & get us on the same page....or at least, somewhere close to the same page. When talking about Herb's trade value...we're talking about ONLY a specific "type" of team that would be interested in picking up Herb...namely, a seriously contending team that thinks Herb would be the role player that could put them "over the top"...PLUS...especially if that particular team was facing a tight "window" to try & "win now".....like the Warriors are, since Curry doesn't have many years left.
So, Herb has MUCH more value AT THIS TIME...to GS...than he would have for the Pels or any other team that's NOT in that "contending window". Herb is almost a perfect fit for GS....since he's also fairly cheap...AND...what we like to call "totally liquid" for the next few years...meaning, let's say Curry blows out his Achilles a week after they trade for Herb. NOW...GS does NOT need or want Herb since they are in totally different situation...BUT...they can easily trade Herb to another contending team that is also looking for that type player.
So, bottom line...it's not that Herb is the BEST player of the 5 or so you mentioned...it's the fact that those contending teams need a Herb FAR more than they need those guys you listed.
Of course, that's just my opinion...I COULD...be wrong. But, I guess we'll find out around January 15th or so
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:27 pm to Dantheman504
Dude you were defending the Queen trade and talking this team up for months, so you really cant call anyone retarded or talk shite and expect anyone to take you seriously.
Several of us told you how bad this team/season was gonna be, you dug in and ignored reality. Now here we are. Bottom three team in the league, with no draft pick and no way to improve or get a true star on this team.
Several of us told you how bad this team/season was gonna be, you dug in and ignored reality. Now here we are. Bottom three team in the league, with no draft pick and no way to improve or get a true star on this team.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:30 pm to brmark70816
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Jones wouldn't be in the top 5 of our best trade assets. Zion, Murphy, Missi, both rookies and our 2027 1st rounder are all worth more than him.
Herb Jones has 5× more trade value than Missi.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 12:11 am to RUFshreve
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Herb Jones has 5× more trade value than Missi.
They should've moved up for ke'ael ware instead of missi.
Missi isn't a true center imo. He is move like a bench rim runner only type.
And yeah Herb has more value than missi easily.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 4:01 am to Dinky Mulberry
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When talking about Herb's trade value...we're talking about ONLY a specific "type" of team that would be interested in picking up Herb...namely, a seriously contending team that thinks Herb would be the role player that could put them "over the top"...PLUS...especially if that particular team was facing a tight "window" to try & "win now".....like the Warriors are, since Curry doesn't have many years left.
We just watched the Warriors destroy us. Both Moody and Podz had great performances. The Warriors seem pretty committed to both. Do you think they would give up either of those for Jones? Or do you think that Jones would actually take minutes from either? The Warriors need size and front court depth.
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NOW...GS does NOT need or want Herb since they are in totally different situation...BUT...they can easily trade Herb to another contending team that is also looking for that type player
I'm looking at the "contending" teams, looking for a fit and a great package. I do not see it. None of them have matching pieces and most have limited draft capital.
For fun, the most loaded team would be the Thunder. Maybe if they had a serious injury, like Dort, and needed wing depth. They might be interested in Jones (but they would want Murphy more). But are they giving up Joe or Wiggins for him? I don't think they would. So how else would they match salary?
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Of course, that's just my opinion...I COULD...be wrong. But, I guess we'll find out around January 15th or so
I don't think we'll move Jones. The organization loves him and he doesn't make waves. I think he had good value a couple of years ago. But that does not exist anymore, especially after he got extended.
He's not a starting level player in the NBA. No serious "contender" would slot him that way. What I mean by that is that he couldn't start for any elite team in the NBA. I think he's a high level reserve at best..
Posted on 11/19/25 at 6:46 am to brmark70816
MPJ for Zion straight up. Pels get 3pt shooter and plus rebounder, Nets get the 'star' illusion gamble and the option to waive Z unguaranteed next offseason to have super cap space.
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