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re: Why the hate for Jaxson Hayes?
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:13 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:13 am to TeddyPadillac
Griffin is not doing a five-year plan.. if that was the case jrue would have been traded this offseason also
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Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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the bigger issue is our team being linked to Myles Turner, who is a finished version of Hayes with a 3 point shot Hayes likely never develops. Hayes is going to be living in that shadow for years
Tbh Turner had a lot of the same knocks as Jaxson coming out. He started to develop that 3P shot at UT, though in consistent. Had a nice stroke from the line... there was some projectability there in terms of shot development. Had flashes but still didnt get heavy minutes. But the upside was there. Looks silly now that he fell to the late lottery and guys like Okafor, WCS, Kaminsky went ahead of him.
Even as a strictly active defensive presence in the lane, Jaxson has value. I think an Ibaka/Siakam/Turner type progression offensively would be the goal
Just for comparison's sake to prove college numbers do not predict future success
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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Hayes is going to be living in that shadow for years
nah
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:17 am to moneyg
Looks like the free throw numbers are backed up by the shooting form and touch for him.
Pro Day highlights
He can knock down midrange jumpers already but wasn't asked to do it at Texas. I suspect he'll have range to the 3 line by year 3.
Pro Day highlights
He can knock down midrange jumpers already but wasn't asked to do it at Texas. I suspect he'll have range to the 3 line by year 3.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:19 am to ColeLSU
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I think the main reason for panic, is bc literally no one knows if this is possible...
and no one knows if it's possible Darius Garland can play significant minutes in the NBA.
Even if Hayes never develops his shot, he is at worst Javele McGee but not as retarded.
We drafted another guy that no one seems to be talking about either in NAW. He actually played college basketball for 2 years. Took 303 threes in that time and hit 38% of them. 6'5" with 6'9" wingspan and a plus defender with high bball iq. You can expect about as much shooting from him that you could from Garland, since so many of you idiots think some rookie is going to come in and provide shooting to this team this year.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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bullshite. his projection is a great fit.
What? A center who can’t shoot is a terrible fit next to Zion.
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super bullshite
Even a guy like Gobert struggles to stay on the court in the playoffs. Capela flat out gets benched for 6’5 PJ Tucker. Those are guys who resemble what Hayes could be, and are better fits on their teams than what Hayes will be with a team that can’t shoot.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:21 am to ScaryClown
Funniest thing is they think the make up of our roster is similar to Golden State and Toronto
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:23 am to Saintsntigers04
This thread gave me a headache.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:24 am to moneyg
I wasn't a big fan of trading #4, but I really like the Hayes pick. He was the guy I wanted in that range and am so glad we didn't go for Reddish. Bargain rim running centers have a lot of value in today's NBA. If you are good at it, you create a lot of gravity and draw helpside rotation leading to open threes if our guards recognize it. If he can do just that and play the Capela - DeAndre Jordan - Jarrett Allen role, that would be very beneficial. This is a very beneficial role in today's NBA when you aren't paying him boatloads of money to do it.
He should be good at protecting the rim and there were a few plays this year where it looked like he could become someone that can make interior passes on the move. I think it was Millner that had highlighted that a few weeks ago. It's a simple skill, yet Capela doesn't have it in his game and DJ took a while to develop it.
He should be good at protecting the rim and there were a few plays this year where it looked like he could become someone that can make interior passes on the move. I think it was Millner that had highlighted that a few weeks ago. It's a simple skill, yet Capela doesn't have it in his game and DJ took a while to develop it.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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Myles Turner
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Hayes is going to be living in that shadow for years
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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Athletic, running rim protector types are the modern 5
I thought centers who could switch and shoot were the modern 5? Either way, it comes down to what each team needs. Your version of a modern 5 is not what Zion needs going forward.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:35 am to Fun Bunch
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And there is your problem. You're thinking about next year
Um, I’m thinking about what type of 5 fits best next to the player you are building around. It’s really simple. If you have Giannis or Zion, you need a 5 who can space the floor. If you have Harden and 3 other shooters, then you can get by with Capela.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:38 am to PrayingMantis
Right or wrong they simply didn’t love anybody at 4. If they did, they would have picked.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:39 am to landrywasbeast30
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What? A center who can’t shoot is a terrible fit next to Zion.
You've seen him shoot right? you think this kid can't shoot b/c you looked at some stats?
Anthony Davis took 20 3's in college. He made 3. He shot 71% from the FT line. he did nothing but dunk in college. Anyone that saw him shoot, knew he could develop his outside shot, which is why he was easily selected #1.
Tyson Chandler developed a mid range jump shot later in his career that made him a shite ton of money.
Robin Lopez stays on the court b/c he can hit an easy mid range jumpshot, and his free throws.
Brook Lopez is going to be highly recruited in FA b/c of his 3 point shooting. He was 3 for 21 from 3 in his two years at Stanford.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:41 am to Saintsntigers04
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Griffin is not doing a five-year plan.. if that was the case jrue would have been traded this offseason also
Oh I see. You’re trolling.
By all means carry on...
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:44 am to landrywasbeast30
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Your version of a modern 5 is not what Zion needs going forward.
Zion absolutely needs to be surrounded by guys who can run. He's extraordinary in transition.
In the halfcourt, Hayes will be a liability in the short term, unless Gentry wants to get silly and have Hayes set screens for Zion in the pick-and-roll, which might actually work and would be crazy fun to watch. I really love the idea of Zion as a P&R originator, and he running it with Hayes would be unreal.
I think that our halfcourt offense next year is just going to be P&R. Teams won't be able to stop it, because Jrue, Lonzo, and Zion are all going to e great originators, and we'll always be able to exploit a weak defender.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:45 am to TeddyPadillac
I think people forget how far Davis has come with his offensive game.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:47 am to Lester Earl
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Gasol has 3 “successful” shooting seasons of his 11 years in the nba
I don’t get what point you are trying to make here. He changed his game to fit more in the modern NBA and started taking and making 3’s at a good percentage. I’m guessing he always had that in him, he just finally started doing it in games.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:52 am to landrywasbeast30
8. Atlanta Hawks: C Jaxson Hayes, Texas
The Pelicans made this pick after a trade with the Hawks. I don't mind this pick, but his lack of shooting is a problem building around Zion Williamson. Hayes is a lot of things -- upside play, rim-protector, dunker -- but he's not a shooter. Grade: C
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The Pelicans made this pick after a trade with the Hawks. I don't mind this pick, but his lack of shooting is a problem building around Zion Williamson. Hayes is a lot of things -- upside play, rim-protector, dunker -- but he's not a shooter. Grade: C
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Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:55 am to TeddyPadillac
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he is at worst Javele McGee but not as retarded.
I keep seeing this and it is just an absolutely ridiculous statement. Not a knock on Hayes, but an non retarded Javele is a multi time all star. He had a 21.8 PER and 5.9 WS last year. Even at his most retarded (in Wash and Denver) he had WS seasons of 5.3 and 4.9.
So saying someone is at worst smart Javale McGee is the equivalent of saying they are at worst a 6-7 WS guy. That’s just an unrealistic floor for most players.
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