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re: Zion plus 26 tonight
Posted on 12/12/23 at 8:45 am to FMtTXtiger
Posted on 12/12/23 at 8:45 am to FMtTXtiger
I didn't see the first half (damn kids). But I thought he showed much better effort on defense in the second half.
A few plays stood out. He got his hands on a pass in the passing lane that created a turnover. He hustled on the baseline against Gobert that led to a shot clock violation. He hustled on that play where the player tried to throw it off his legs on the sideline.
His demeanor also just looked different. He seemed pissed and like he didn't want to get scored on.
I think he really was humbled. Now will it last? Who knows? But for one game, he definitely looked different.
And here's the craziest part to me.
He actually looked less fat. How the frick a guy can look different in less than a week good or bad I'll never understand but he looked 10 lbs lighter at least.
A few plays stood out. He got his hands on a pass in the passing lane that created a turnover. He hustled on the baseline against Gobert that led to a shot clock violation. He hustled on that play where the player tried to throw it off his legs on the sideline.
His demeanor also just looked different. He seemed pissed and like he didn't want to get scored on.
I think he really was humbled. Now will it last? Who knows? But for one game, he definitely looked different.
And here's the craziest part to me.
He actually looked less fat. How the frick a guy can look different in less than a week good or bad I'll never understand but he looked 10 lbs lighter at least.
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Posted on 12/12/23 at 8:58 am to FMtTXtiger
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even though he had a good offensive game, his effort was avg.at best.
What are you realistically expecting? The man scored 36 points on 17 shots and had one turnover against the best defense in the league. He was +26 and was by far the best player on the court. Do you think he did this by not expending effort and energy? If he would have given better effort he would have had 45/15/15? His offensive load is triple what Herb's is. You do realize Herb's job is to do exactly what you described? I get the criticism from the Lakers game but my goodness, comments like this, after THIS game, are frustrating.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:01 am to Broski
quote:Reverts back to what? 23 a game with 6 rebounds and 5 assist with a steal and block? He has a bad game in Vegas (one in which the entire team was a no-show) and yet he is some terrible player who only puts up a good game in a rare instance?
We say this everytime and then he reverts back.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:02 am to Ijuschill1
quote:Was that not evident? The pregame press conference with BI and Zion was the proof. Zion was not the only one who sucked against the Lakers, yet the only one anyone is bitching about.
A birdie said a few of the players had a long night in Vegas the night before/day of the game...
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:03 am to shel311
quote:Then don't watch. Go put a Lakers or Warriors jersey on and cheer for your stars.
Like I said, happy he did it but not falling for it.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 9:04 am
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:05 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Zion was not the only one who sucked against the Lakers, yet the only one anyone is bitching about.
its the price he'll pay when he stays 300 lbs plus. get over it.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:16 am to Chad504boy
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its the price he'll pay
I never want to hear another argument about who the best player on the team is. Ingram put up 9 points on 4/13 shooting with 3 rebounds in 7 more minutes and was equally lazy and terrible against the Lakers. I haven't heard or seen one comment about him no showing. You are right, that is because Zion is the best player on this team and it is his responsibility to lead by example. I was happy to see that he and the team played that way last night.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:38 am to Patfic15
Maybe not, but I’ll give it a chance.
If he lheard the talking heads on espn, etc. yesterday, he probably was max pissed. Someone remarked about his body: Zion’s stomach is going in one direction and his arse is going in the other.
If he lheard the talking heads on espn, etc. yesterday, he probably was max pissed. Someone remarked about his body: Zion’s stomach is going in one direction and his arse is going in the other.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:11 am to NOSHAU
quote:Being lazy, lack of effort, playing no defense, not getting rebounds.
Reverts back to what?
You're not insinuating he does NOT do the above, right?
quote:6 rebounds is shite for a PF of his size and athletic ability.
23 a game with 6 rebounds and 5 assist with a steal and block?
Also, he doesn't average a block a game, not even close. In 20 games, he has 6 total blocks all season. Again, for a dude of his size and athleticism that is awful.
quote:He had 3 out of 4 games where he scored 13 or less. Name all the players who are comps to peak Zion that have done the same. Going into last night, we also were outscored when Zion was on the court and better when he was off the court statistically. I know you saw all the posts pointing that out, so not sure why you and others are still on the "it's only 1 game" bandwagon, when it was 23 games, not 1.
He has a bad game in Vegas (one in which the entire team was a no-show) and yet he is some terrible player who only puts up a good game in a rare instance?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:13 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Then don't watch. Go put a Lakers or Warriors jersey on and cheer for your stars.
Stop being so emotional. It's laughable that you think this team deserves all your trust, why in the world would you believe that?
You got the blinders on in a big way right now, you're making yourself look silly.
But answer this, same question above, tell me why you have all your trust in this team and are 100% confident we won't have lazy Zion issues going forward? I'll wait...
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 10:14 am
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:22 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Was that not evident? The pregame press conference with BI and Zion was the proof. Zion was not the only one who sucked against the Lakers, yet the only one anyone is bitching about.
Thats what I keep coming back to..
The first prize for winning the tournament is $100k each. Our players still made $50k, which for Ingram and Zion is like 5 minutes of game-time salary
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:27 am to shel311
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He had 3 out of 4 games where he scored 13 or less. Name all the players
You name all the players that played only 26mpg and got 8 shots per game over a three game stretch that are at "Peak Zion" level. The Spurs game was a blowout and the first of a back to back that he was going to play. The Sacramento game was an anomaly because BI had maybe his best game as a Pel and they were set up to stop Zion at all costs after he dominated the same team in back to back games the week before. The Lakers game was awful. He deserved all the criticism for THAT game.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:31 am to ThePistol
quote:That's my point. Lazy, lack of effort, getting gassed every 3-4 minutes so he plays more limited minutes. The comps to Zion won't ever only take 8 shots per game over a 4 game span. They won't ever be so gassed that they play under 30 minutes 4 games straight. That is exactly what I'm talking about.
You name all the players that played only 26mpg and got 8 shots per game over a three game stretch that are at "Peak Zion" level.
That only happens if you're being lazy/lack of effort and not imposing your will on a game, win or lose, whether the shot goes in or not. But simply not taking shots for 4 games IS the issue that you won't see his player comps have that same issue.
I think Zion is easily a top 10 talent, so it's only fair to compare him to those guys. Unfortunately, for the season he's fringe top 30 as a player for the reasons above.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 10:32 am
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:34 am to FMtTXtiger
quote:So you don't watch much basketball? If all players crashed the boards at the same time every play, it would be a disaster. You are searching for something to bitch about.
I hate these stats, they don't account for intangibles and effort
even though he had a good offensive game, his effort was avg.at best. First few minutes of the game they showed a replay where Herb crashed the boards on a miss shot i think by CJ or BI, Zion just stood there and watched as Herb hustled, got the off rebound.
He's not even in the top 50 in rebounding which takes effort.
Think about it, when's the last time you saw zion get a fast break dunk? you have to run to do that.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:35 am to Chad504boy
quote:What is the price to pay for a useless troll with other 150,000 posts?
its the price he'll pay when he stays 300 lbs plus. get over it.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:35 am to NOSHAU
quote:Do you think Zion remembers the ball at an acceptable level and gives effort on both sides of the ball rebounding, yes or no?
So you don't watch much basketball? If all players crashed the boards at the same time every play, it would be a disaster. You are searching for something to bitch about.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:39 am to shel311
quote:You cherry pick all the time. You talk about his athleticism and then complain he is too fat. You say he should be a rebounding and block machine because of his size, yet he is 6'6" playing the 4. How many great offensive players his size average more than 6 rebounds a game and block a lot of shots as well as scoring 23 a game on nearly 60% shooting? You cherry pick 3 games that he did not score much, yet it was not for poor shooting, but deferring to other teammates (he took 25 total shots in those 3 games). He admitted that he should just be more aggressive and score his points rather than trying to find the perfect shot for a teammate. This is the second time that there has been a hint to "taking a backseat" in this offense.
Reverts back to what?
Being lazy, lack of effort, playing no defense, not getting rebounds.
You're not insinuating he does NOT do the above, right?
quote:
23 a game with 6 rebounds and 5 assist with a steal and block?
6 rebounds is shite for a PF of his size and athletic ability.
Also, he doesn't average a block a game, not even close. In 20 games, he has 6 total blocks all season. Again, for a dude of his size and athleticism that is awful.
quote:
He has a bad game in Vegas (one in which the entire team was a no-show) and yet he is some terrible player who only puts up a good game in a rare instance?
He had 3 out of 4 games where he scored 13 or less. Name all the players who are comps to peak Zion that have done the same. Going into last night, we also were outscored when Zion was on the court and better when he was off the court statistically. I know you saw all the posts pointing that out, so not sure why you and others are still on the "it's only 1 game" bandwagon, when it was 23 games, not 1.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 10:40 am
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:42 am to shel311
quote:Define acceptable. Does Booker, Harden, Lillard, etc.? He exerts a lot of energy on the offensive end, admittedly due to the style of his game. For that, his defense does suffer. Are you asking him to change his entire style of play to please you?
Do you think Zion remembers the ball at an acceptable level and gives effort on both sides of the ball rebounding, yes or no?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:44 am to shel311
quote:So you know exactly why he did not take many shots in those games?
That only happens if you're being lazy/lack of effort and not imposing your will on a game, win or lose, whether the shot goes in or not. But simply not taking shots for 4 games IS the issue that you won't see his player comps have that same issue.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:44 am to Ijuschill1
quote:
A birdie said a few of the players had a long night in Vegas the night before/day of the game
Any pics? If Zion was out partying in Vegas there would be pics you’d think
Suggesting they sucked bc they were partying or the financial benefit wasn’t enough isn’t an excuse, it’s the exact problem
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