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re: Saints and Eagles trade draft picks
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:40 pm to wildtigercat93
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:40 pm to wildtigercat93
When we traded a future 1st for Mark Ingram in 2011, we gave up a 2nd that year and a 1st the next year.
Jumping from 18 to 16 costs around a 3 or 4 I believe.
With the combo of the 2nd round pick being in 2024 and the swap of the 6th for a 7th that should even out the value of us including the 3rd instead of a 4th.
Value seems right based on past trade values.
Jumping from 18 to 16 costs around a 3 or 4 I believe.
With the combo of the 2nd round pick being in 2024 and the swap of the 6th for a 7th that should even out the value of us including the 3rd instead of a 4th.
Value seems right based on past trade values.
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Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:41 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
Those two assets are near identical in value, so the trade is much easier to understand if you just ignore it and look at the rest of the trade.
That doesn't make any sense.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:41 pm to saints5021
There aren’t QBs worth taking. WR and OT.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:42 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
That doesn't make any sense.
Is there truly a material difference in value between pick 18 and pick 19?
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:42 pm to saintsfan22
Only way this makes sense is if we can trade these 2 picks for a top-10 pick this year, but who in the top-10 is worth us moving up for?
Otherwise, it feels like an overpay to essentially give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick to get a 1st one year sooner. That is assuming we don't fall on our face and suck this year... imagine if we traded a top-10 pick next year plus the 2nd/3rd for a mid-1st round pick this year in a down draft. Ireland will need to work his magic.
Otherwise, it feels like an overpay to essentially give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick to get a 1st one year sooner. That is assuming we don't fall on our face and suck this year... imagine if we traded a top-10 pick next year plus the 2nd/3rd for a mid-1st round pick this year in a down draft. Ireland will need to work his magic.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:43 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
Is there truly a material difference in value between pick 18 and pick 19?
Sigh.
That isn't what happened.
They used 18, a 3rd, future first, and 2024 second to acquire 16 and 19.
The way you are framing it is completely disingenuous.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:44 pm to Fun Bunch
Big picture play
We cleared the cap hit didn’t feel compelled to just spend (rightfully so imo). Now you hopefully secure two core guys on rookie deals, which is nice bc we are likely drafting high priced positions. Three in the top 50 that can help immediately is better than overpaying these FA
We cleared the cap hit didn’t feel compelled to just spend (rightfully so imo). Now you hopefully secure two core guys on rookie deals, which is nice bc we are likely drafting high priced positions. Three in the top 50 that can help immediately is better than overpaying these FA
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:44 pm to Chadzilla
This is some weird shite 
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:46 pm to shel311
Would love Stingley and Cross, Neal, or Ekwonu
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:46 pm to BigPerm30
quote:I don't think that's a good way to look at it.
We are only losing essentially a 2nd rounder in 2024. We swap this year for next year first and the 3rd is a compensatory pick
Even if it's a comp pick, we still are going from two 3rds to one 3rd.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:47 pm to Not Cooper
quote:I've always found it weird that NFL never puts protections on picks like the NBA.
That’s the most concerning part to me. Another injury to Winston, MT etc and it could be top 10 easily
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:47 pm to Fun Bunch
I feel like I’m saying the sky is blue and you are yelling at me that ACTUALLY THE SKY IS BLUE SIR
This isn’t a formula with an equation to follow saints gave up their set of picks that included 18, eagles gave up their set of picks that included 19
If you’re judging the overall value of the trade, those two assets are as close to the same thing as you can get in NFL draft terms. They are 1 pick apart in the same draft. An easier way to read a pretty confusing sentence that was in Schefter a tweet and your posts, it to just call that a wash and evaluate the rest of the compensation on both sides
I’m not being negative about this or being disingenuous at all, I was trying to make the trade more understandable because it took my brain a solid 10 minutes to try to piece it together when I first read it
This isn’t a formula with an equation to follow
saints gave up their set of picks that included 18, eagles gave up their set of picks that included 19 If you’re judging the overall value of the trade, those two assets are as close to the same thing as you can get in NFL draft terms. They are 1 pick apart in the same draft. An easier way to read a pretty confusing sentence that was in Schefter a tweet and your posts, it to just call that a wash and evaluate the rest of the compensation on both sides
I’m not being negative about this or being disingenuous at all, I was trying to make the trade more understandable because it took my brain a solid 10 minutes to try to piece it together when I first read it
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:48 pm to GynoSandberg
I think the dream would be someone like Olave at 16 and someone like Raimann at 18.
But this is the Saints they will probably draft a Guard that played Center in college and a Defensive End
But this is the Saints they will probably draft a Guard that played Center in college and a Defensive End
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:49 pm to wildtigercat93
You're trying to throw out acquiring a 2nd 1st round pick in this year's draft.
In no universe will that make sense, no matter how many laughing emojis you throw in.
Shouldn't you be more worried about what the Patriots are up to?
In no universe will that make sense, no matter how many laughing emojis you throw in.
Shouldn't you be more worried about what the Patriots are up to?
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:50 pm to wildtigercat93
The random 6th & 7th round picks always make me laugh in these trades. Are they implying that if those picks aren't thrown in there the trade will never happen?
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:50 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
Is there truly a material difference in value between pick 18 and pick 19?
No
However the question becomes the value of:
2022 3rd rounder
2023 1st rounder
2024 2nd rounder
= 16
Which in reality value wise...about right if not better.
Future 1sts tend to equal a current year 2nd. So if that's the case, we're talking about equivalent of this year's 3rd, 2nd, and a 3rd.
but i'm not for giving up future picks in an unknown situation.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:53 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:I think you're missing on what he's saying, to be honest.
You're trying to throw out acquiring a 2nd 1st round pick in this year's draft.
In no universe will that make sense, no matter how many laughing emojis you throw in.
He's not throwing out acquiring another 1st, he's still accounting for pick #16.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:53 pm to htran90
Some of these people are intellectually challenged. ROFL.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:53 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
You're trying to throw out acquiring a 2nd 1st round pick in this year's draft.
Because they already had a first rounder at an identical place before this trade.
The cost of acquiring the 16th pick is still exactly the same in the way I lay it out as the way you have laid it out
quote:
Shouldn't you be more worried about what the Patriots are up to?
Look man, I come in absolute peace. I have no idea why you took offense to this, I’m just trying to explain what I said. I never come on this board looking for shite, I usually come during the offseason when the MSB doesn’t really post a bunch about the NFL. You can put the fisticuffs away
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:53 pm to htran90
quote:Bunchie, this is exactly what wildtiger is saying.
No
However the question becomes the value of:
2022 3rd rounder
2023 1st rounder
2024 2nd rounder
= 16
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