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re: Saints Met with QB Malik Willis at Senior Bowl this week
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:01 am to oncealurker
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:01 am to oncealurker
Kenny Pickett who I would pick in the first round in the top ten.
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Posted on 2/4/22 at 2:21 am to oncealurker
Hell no. Absolutely not. That would be a horrible 1st round pick. He's got "bust" written all over him!
Posted on 2/4/22 at 2:49 am to saintslsupels
I don’t know how to link an image, but his throwing motion looked horrendous in the picture.
QB’s are easy to evaluate. Too many people over complicate it.
I personally look for at least B plus leaders, that interview well, are accurate with the football and can actually read a defense.
If you can’t do those things , I’m not really interested unless you are a plus plus athlete like Lamar or have a sensational arm with plus mobility like Mahomes.
You can also tell a lot about a QB regarding his demeanor after making a mistake.
You can also see their will to win best when their back is against a wall. I don’t need to see you win necessarily, but I need to see that you are willing to do everything in your power to win.
For example, T Law lacks the will to win intangible, the ability to read a defense, and the ability to throw accurately. T Law wouldn’t have been on my draft board last year.
So I’m not picking on Malik per say, I’m just being a realist about him.
Tbh, I never evaluated Josh Allen pre draft. We didn’t need a QB then. I will say one thing about Josh Allen though. His decision making and defense reading got significantly better after he trained with Joe Burrow the last 2 off seasons. I do not think that is merely a coincidence.
QB’s are easy to evaluate. Too many people over complicate it.
I personally look for at least B plus leaders, that interview well, are accurate with the football and can actually read a defense.
If you can’t do those things , I’m not really interested unless you are a plus plus athlete like Lamar or have a sensational arm with plus mobility like Mahomes.
You can also tell a lot about a QB regarding his demeanor after making a mistake.
You can also see their will to win best when their back is against a wall. I don’t need to see you win necessarily, but I need to see that you are willing to do everything in your power to win.
For example, T Law lacks the will to win intangible, the ability to read a defense, and the ability to throw accurately. T Law wouldn’t have been on my draft board last year.
So I’m not picking on Malik per say, I’m just being a realist about him.
Tbh, I never evaluated Josh Allen pre draft. We didn’t need a QB then. I will say one thing about Josh Allen though. His decision making and defense reading got significantly better after he trained with Joe Burrow the last 2 off seasons. I do not think that is merely a coincidence.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 5:57 am to ssburas2005
I believe Pickett is the safest QB pick in this class. Willis is the biggest wildcard with potentially nice upside. I also believe situation usually matters.
-WalterFootball
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For the NFL, Willis has a good skill set and talent to work with. His dangerous mobility makes him a threat to make plays off schedule, plus he is hard to sack. He really helps his offensive line with his escapability and is a tough runner. Willis also has a strong arm capable of firing the ball downfield. He also can throw a good deep ball with impressive strength, touch and placement. Team sources say Willis has issues with his height and gets blinded sometimes by the line. They feel Willis is a second-day prospect but could have a team fall in love with his arm and mobility and take him in the first round.
As a passer, Willis needs development with his mechanics. He throws flat footed at times, and his footwork can lead to inconsistency with placement. For his football development, it would make sense to go back to school and get better, but considering the 2022 NFL Draft is weak at quarterback, it could make sense for Willis to come out.
-WalterFootball
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 6:01 am
Posted on 2/4/22 at 7:06 am to beauchristopher
I think that is spot on by walter football.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 7:11 am to 3PieceSpicy
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Also, he pops as a plus athlete at Liberty, but he’s not any more athletic than say a Joe Burrow at the NFL level.
Hard pass. This dude ain’t it if the goal is to win a Super Bowl.
Joe burrow is very athletic for an nfl qb. His ability to run a qb draw or get out on the run and deliver the ball is easily top 10.
Which qb in the draft will win a sb?
Posted on 2/4/22 at 7:26 am to Chalkywhite84
Impossible to know. Hell, we don't know if burrow will win one. Marino got to a super bowl his 2nd year, and he never made it to another one.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 9:36 am to oncealurker
I've been watching reports from the Senior Bowl practices on YouTube. Willis has had the best week out of any of the QBs. One of the things that stood out to me was his ability to learn new concepts from the Lions staff and quickly apply it on the field. He displayed control and command of the offense most of the time.
Is he a guy you can throw out in week 1 to start? I don't know for sure, but he has tools and intangibles you can work with. Like most of these guys, their success will depend on being drafted by a team with the right system for their skill set.
Is he a guy you can throw out in week 1 to start? I don't know for sure, but he has tools and intangibles you can work with. Like most of these guys, their success will depend on being drafted by a team with the right system for their skill set.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:28 am to Chalkywhite84
Right, I think healthy Joe Burrow is athletic too. But Burrow’s running ability is probably like the 10th best thing about him. It’s basically the best thing about Malik. So Burrow’s least Elite trait is on par with Malik’s most elite trait.
In terms of QB’s from this draft that can win. I need to look more at Pickett and Hartmann. I’m mentioning Hartmann, because the kid is a winner. He has Plus intangibles and he is a win at all costs player. I need to peek his most recent film to see if he has developed enough skills though. I know he’s also on the short side.
Pickett is probably the favorite though. He’s big, skilled and has some do whatever it takes to win in his game.
In terms of QB’s from this draft that can win. I need to look more at Pickett and Hartmann. I’m mentioning Hartmann, because the kid is a winner. He has Plus intangibles and he is a win at all costs player. I need to peek his most recent film to see if he has developed enough skills though. I know he’s also on the short side.
Pickett is probably the favorite though. He’s big, skilled and has some do whatever it takes to win in his game.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:48 am to 3PieceSpicy
quote:So you know what you are looking for in a 2 minute youtube video? You may want to notify NFL scouting departments how easy that is.
QBs are easy to evaluate if you know what you are looking for. I knew what Joey B was after he ran out of the Tunnel in the season opener his Jr year in college.
I’m sorry Malik ain’t the one. I wouldn’t pick him at all, let alone trading up to get him.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:02 pm to blackandgolddude
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Ridder in the 2nd
won't be there in the 2nd, and if he does slip to the 2nd, he'll be gone by our pick... Carson Strong could be a possibility at our pick though
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:02 pm to oncealurker
Corral, Willis, Pickett... in that order
ETA. as far as how I would pick them... not my projection on how they will actually get picked... Pickett will, in all likelihood, be 1st or 2nd off the board at QB
ETA. as far as how I would pick them... not my projection on how they will actually get picked... Pickett will, in all likelihood, be 1st or 2nd off the board at QB
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 2/4/22 at 2:17 pm to BigBrod81
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I remember the same things were said about this guy.
Yep. People were finding fault with Josh Allen left and right. Reading DEF's, completion %, level of competition, wants to run, etc. Now, depending on your preferences, he is a top-5 NFL QB.
Be thorough during assessments/tape review and interviews, and if we go QB....hit a HR!
Posted on 2/4/22 at 2:49 pm to oncealurker
I haven’t seen any of these QB’s.
If I’m drafting a QB, he must have at the very least…
1) High football IQ
2) Extremely accurate
3) Strong enough arm to make every throw on the field.
Then we can discuss the intangibles
Such as leadership, character, etc.
If you don’t have 1-3
Don’t take them
Posted on 2/4/22 at 9:34 pm to Rohan Gravy
It's hard to say who we're gonna draft at this point and mocks are irrelevant. Before free agency, we need to rework some contracts and try resign Marcus Williams and TA. If we miss on both of them, then those become positions of need. I want to make a serious run at Godwin in free agency, maybe a decent guard. In the draft, if we haven't resigned Winston then we nearly have to go after a QB. And then draft Dontario Drummond in a later round
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:03 pm to oncealurker
It’s so hard thinking about the draft when we don’t even know who the coach/OC is going to be
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:29 pm to HC87
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Yep. People were finding fault with Josh Allen left and right. Reading DEF's, completion %, level of competition, wants to run, etc. Now, depending on your preferences, he is a top-5 NFL QB.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:37 pm to Laman1978
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Hell no. Absolutely not. That would be a horrible 1st round pick. He's got "bust" written all over him!
You should go check out the Mahomes thread on draft day. Plenty of people were saying stuff like this about him.
And not say Willis is the next Mahomes but it’s pretty dumb to declare a player a bust before they’ve even taken a snap in the nfl.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 12:13 am to LSUZombie
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You should go check out the Mahomes thread on draft day.
There were similar negative comments about Allen on this board concerning the type of player he would become. They just aren't in my post history but I didn't comment much on Allen. For one, the Saints weren't in serious contention to draft Allen & honestly I myself didn't know what to make of him, so I don't have threads to bump. The physical gifts were there. Size, arm strength, mobility, speed yet his college passing numbers were great especially completion percentage.
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And not say Willis is the next Mahomes but it’s pretty dumb to declare a player a bust before they’ve even taken a snap in the nfl.
Mahomes was more development as a passer at Texas Tech & the obvious leader of that team. That's what stuck out to me along with the physical gifts Mahomes had. I don't see those qualities with Willis. Could they be there? Yep but there's no way to truly know with interviewing him & asking his coaches. It's why Willis is such a boom or bust prospect right now. His physical talents are there. He needs fundamental & technical grooming. Those can be taught but does he have those character & intellectual intangibles, ability to make split second correct decisions, decipher information quickly & be able to retain & recite tons of information just as quickly. That's the unknown with Willis. Allen has answered those questions with an outstanding YES.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 12:53 am to oncealurker
Malik Willis is store brand Kyler Murray
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