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re: The way too early Saints draft scoop.
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:35 pm to touchdownjeebus
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:35 pm to touchdownjeebus
I don’t see any planet where we trade up for a RB.
The smart thing to do would be sign one of Etienne or Hall and build the trenches
The smart thing to do would be sign one of Etienne or Hall and build the trenches
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:36 pm to touchdownjeebus
On love..
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:40 pm to touchdownjeebus
If you want to give Olave a contract that is front loaded, i.e. $30 million in years 1 and 2 and then drops massively? Maybe you can justify that because at worst it doesn't hamstring you in the future if he continues with the injury issues and you can pay cheap on draft picks for a couple of years.
If you are talking an AAV of $30 Mill for 3+ years, then forget it. No #2 is worth that, and as you can see, players much better than him can be had in the draft for much lower picks than where he was drafted and have an immediate impact.
If you are talking an AAV of $30 Mill for 3+ years, then forget it. No #2 is worth that, and as you can see, players much better than him can be had in the draft for much lower picks than where he was drafted and have an immediate impact.
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:40 pm to lepdagod
CB isn’t as important as you think, not in the scheme we run.
Remember Jason David? Remember how good he was with the Colts and how shitty he was with the Saints?
He didn’t forget how to play football. We asked him to do something that wasn’t strong suit. Jason David would eat in this defense. We play an off man zone scheme. That deemphasizes CBs and puts more on safeties and LBs
The safeties really need to be able to diagnose, like an MLB. They are traffic control. The LBs need to be able to quickly discern between pass and run, and drop into space to close passing windows.
It’s a cheaper and easier way to build a defense because legit shut down corners are expensive and rare. Finding the right safety is important, and if you find an elite one, it unlocks a whole other level. Same with LBs. Davis is a beast at diagnosing plays. Averil Reese would be perfect in this scheme.
Remember Jason David? Remember how good he was with the Colts and how shitty he was with the Saints?
He didn’t forget how to play football. We asked him to do something that wasn’t strong suit. Jason David would eat in this defense. We play an off man zone scheme. That deemphasizes CBs and puts more on safeties and LBs
The safeties really need to be able to diagnose, like an MLB. They are traffic control. The LBs need to be able to quickly discern between pass and run, and drop into space to close passing windows.
It’s a cheaper and easier way to build a defense because legit shut down corners are expensive and rare. Finding the right safety is important, and if you find an elite one, it unlocks a whole other level. Same with LBs. Davis is a beast at diagnosing plays. Averil Reese would be perfect in this scheme.
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:43 pm to touchdownjeebus
quote:This doesn't even make sense. He is 270 lbs., Young is 265, Granderson is 261, and Jordan, who just had a 10 sack season as an edge, is 287 (if any of those weights are even accurate, as iirc those were their rookie weights).
Too light to be an end and too heavy to be on the edge in their 34.
If they were worried about his weight and don't think he can shed 5-10 lbs., then we have much bigger issues.
Not that I want Bain, but that reasoning is beyond stupid. There may be other issues with Bain, but weight is definitely not one.
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:43 pm to touchdownjeebus
Sean Payton had a habit in N.O of putting round pegs into square holes.Hopefully KM is a better evaluator .
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:44 pm to Proximo
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I don’t see any planet where we trade up for a RB.
Oh, I see it. I don’t want it, but I see it. KC burned their arse once and I can see the FO making sure they get their man. That’s their MO, bro.
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:45 pm to touchdownjeebus
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Olave unless something absolutely bonkers happens. Expect that deal to be around 30m per year
This is wild. frick that. No fricking way. He’s too fragile. We are getting out from cap hell and they are going to put us right back in.
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:46 pm to Geauxgurt
You don't ever frontload like that because most of the money in a contract isn't fully guaranteed, and you leave the huge numbers on the back that can almost all be shed with little guarantees (usually just the signing bonus, and then whatever prorated bonus if they were restructured in year 2, 3, and/or 4).
You always come out ahead of the per year by backloading and then cutting or reworking the deal down in the last year rather than front loading. That's why basically no one front loads anymore.
You always come out ahead of the per year by backloading and then cutting or reworking the deal down in the last year rather than front loading. That's why basically no one front loads anymore.
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:47 pm to bonethug0180
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Not that I want Bain, but that reasoning is beyond stupid. There may be other issues with Bain, but weight is definitely not one.
Too light to play end. Too heavy to play edge. That’s what was said. If love is gone and Reese is on the board, I would bet dollars to dimes, that’s the pick.
I still want downs, but would have no problem with Reese. The only reason why I wouldn’t shite my clothes over Love is because Moore’s offense really thrives with a bell cow and they are confident Love is that guy.
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:48 pm to touchdownjeebus
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CB isn’t as important as you think, not in the scheme we run.
My pushback against this is … when the game on the line (3rd downs also)the QB going to his number 1… if you don’t have a man to match him scheme won’t overcome that
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:49 pm to RGT
quote:The worst was when he tried to do this with the defense over and over and over. He fricked up Vaccaro's career badly by not just letting him play that slot/box safety/weak weakside LB combo role and kept trying to force him to play deep in a cover 3.
Sean Payton had a habit in N.O of putting round pegs into square holes.Hopefully KM is a better evaluator .
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:50 pm to lepdagod
Did you see how well we played with average talent?
Alonte Taylor flourished and under DA he was picked on.
We don’t need to drop a ton of assets on CB. We need guys like Jason David and Jerome flowers (I’m dating myself).
Alonte Taylor flourished and under DA he was picked on.
We don’t need to drop a ton of assets on CB. We need guys like Jason David and Jerome flowers (I’m dating myself).
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:50 pm to touchdownjeebus
quote:Yes he is too light to play end in a 3-4, but he is not too heavy to play edge and whoever said that is a fricking idiot. xD
Too light to play end. Too heavy to play edge.
Cam is a good 15 lbs. heavier at least than this kid and just excelled at edge in our defense. Makes me question every other thing this idiot is saying.
This post was edited on 1/13/26 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:52 pm to bonethug0180
He’s not an idiot, lol. It’s a metric thing with the Saints. Cam is a grown arse man at that weight. Bain is still a kid.
But frick it, maybe you know more than him. You should reach out to the organization.
But frick it, maybe you know more than him. You should reach out to the organization.
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:56 pm to touchdownjeebus
Cam came out at 287. He didn't grow into 287. I don't recall him ever dropping under 280 in his career.
Bain is coming in 17 lbs lighter than the guy that just had a 10 sack season at edge for us, but somehow he is expected to balloon heavier and never be able to play at less than 270? He can't shed 5 lbs or be effective at 270?
So yeah, I heavily question the person saying this because it makes zero sense.
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Granderson saying he dropped weight down to 270 for the season.
But Bain at 270 is too heavy? Gtfoh. xD
Bain is coming in 17 lbs lighter than the guy that just had a 10 sack season at edge for us, but somehow he is expected to balloon heavier and never be able to play at less than 270? He can't shed 5 lbs or be effective at 270?
So yeah, I heavily question the person saying this because it makes zero sense.
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Granderson saying he dropped weight down to 270 for the season.
But Bain at 270 is too heavy? Gtfoh. xD
This post was edited on 1/13/26 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:56 pm to touchdownjeebus
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We need guys like Jason David and Jerome flowers (I’m dating myself).
Unless you reimagining him playing in this scheme Davis was terrible here… it’s a stretch to say we run that same Cover 2 the Colts ran… wouldn’t our defense be better described as a Cover 3 Man defense??
Posted on 1/13/26 at 7:01 pm to lepdagod
It's a multiple defense, but definitely more cover 3 than cover 2, and you need corners that can turn and run.
We don't necessarily need a shut down man corner in this defense, but acting like they aren't important (go back and watch Yiadom before he was benched) is just a lie. You need a certain level of corner, and having a higher level one would only help ease the burden of the safeties and LBs as he could cover more area more effectively and allow you to rotate the defense away from him.
So can we get away with what we have? Yes. Could it make our defense much better if we upgraded at corner? Yes.
We don't necessarily need a shut down man corner in this defense, but acting like they aren't important (go back and watch Yiadom before he was benched) is just a lie. You need a certain level of corner, and having a higher level one would only help ease the burden of the safeties and LBs as he could cover more area more effectively and allow you to rotate the defense away from him.
So can we get away with what we have? Yes. Could it make our defense much better if we upgraded at corner? Yes.
Posted on 1/13/26 at 7:01 pm to touchdownjeebus
I see the Saints really like Love but are willing to trade back 1 spot with KC. Its best case scenario. We get extra compensation and still get the guy we want at #8 who isn't Love. The Saints just have to convince KC they want him that bad. This is a good start.
This post was edited on 1/13/26 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 1/13/26 at 7:02 pm to jmcwhrter
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Is Olave worth $30 million? Probably not..
That’s the issue. Dedicating such a large percentage of cap to the WR position is already a bad move, but doing so for someone who’s not worth it is even worse.
I’d like to see a full season of elite productions from Olave before signing him to a new contract. We need to see his last 5-6 games of this season be his standard next year. If so then I’d feel better of giving him a massive deal
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