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re: Dock workers at ports get a 62% pay increase
Posted on 10/4/24 at 9:42 am to back9Tiger
Posted on 10/4/24 at 9:42 am to back9Tiger
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Guess who is going to pay for the extra cost in transportation...us!
Dumbass Leftists think it comes out of corporate profits.
Yes, they are that dumb.
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Posted on 10/4/24 at 9:43 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Christ....this isn't some mom and pop restaurant operating on the thinnest of margins here. To pretend a few million in extra comp every year is going to lead to a measurable increase in retail prices is absolutely fricking laughable
Why don't you understand it's not just about the money? American efficiency, global competitiveness and the security of our supply chains is more important to me than extending the life of human trades that automation is whittling down.
I'm a pharmacist, and expect AI/automation to continue creating a huge glut in my profession across many settings. Resistance is futile. Now imagine pharmacy unions becoming powerful enough to threaten to shut down the national drug supply while making demands to slow down progress that would improve accuracy in medicine.
I see the writing on the wall, so I'm training for a practice setting at lower risk of automation. Now these goons have six years to figure out what they need to do. I have no idea why anyone would so vehemently support them.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 9:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Dumbass Leftists think it comes out of corporate profits.
It’s worse than that. These unions highly regulate the amount of new hires. There are probably tons of low income laborers living around the ports who would love the opportunity to work there and the dock would love to hire them.
Union steps in and say no.
And mmmbbbbeeeer thinks the union helps average joes
Posted on 10/4/24 at 9:46 am to reds on reds on reds
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Are you making 62% more now than you were 6 years ago?
I am making 230% more now then I made 10 years ago, which is the time frame in question.
Which is irrelevant really, but it is the answer to a silly question.
62% increase over six years + last raise negotiations occurring more than 5 years ago.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 9:48 am
Posted on 10/4/24 at 9:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Youre advocating for central planning, Comrade.
Not in the slightest. I’m anti union as can be.
I’m just not sky screaming that this is going to crash the economy, surge inflation, and be the general end of the world when it’s not really too far out of line out of general worker’s compensation growth in the time frame in question.
Especially when you consider that these negotiations are often give/take. Sure, they got the wage increase percentage (which, btw, refers to merely caps in the highest ranges. Not a blanket increase to all) but did they give anything away? Shittier health insurance? Reduction/loss of 401k match?
Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:04 am to FLObserver
And now every other union will threaten to strike if not given a 62% raise.
The economy is so close to a total collapse it ain’t funny.
The economy is so close to a total collapse it ain’t funny.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:10 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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These unions highly regulate the amount of new hires
They also dictate a minimum level of staffing that goes far beyond whats necessary to get the work done.
In our situation, it means we cant staff runs we once could staff, we cant hire enough people to meet union contract.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:17 am to Dog Tree
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Unions are no longer organized labor. They are now organized crime. All Unions should be obolished.
Imagine if the plantations had unions
Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:18 am to chalmetteowl
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Imagine if the plantations had unions
They would probably still be working there, not realizing how shitty their life is.
Central planning leads to obsolete practices.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
It’s a good day to be a longshoreman!
ILA
btw 781 Richard street New Orleans la is the address for the hiring hall for anyone wanting to start their way out here.
Great career
ILA
btw 781 Richard street New Orleans la is the address for the hiring hall for anyone wanting to start their way out here.
Great career
Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:59 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Do you know how absolutely MINISCULE these dockworkers' pay is in the budgets of these huge multinational shipping companies?! Christ....this isn't some mom and pop restaurant operating on the thinnest of margins here. To pretend a few million in extra comp every year is going to lead to a measurable increase in retail prices is absolutely fricking laughable and puts your misunderstanding of macroeconomics in plain view.
Companies are not going to eat this margin, and will increase prices to reflect that.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:01 am to theronswanson
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So dock workers are so essential to the economy that if they don’t work it will shut down the US but not essential enough to deserve a large pay increase?
Carry this logic further, why not pay them 200% more? They're so essential right? Why not 1000% more?
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:02 am to FLObserver
"I dOnT kNOw wHY thEy kEEp pUshING AuTOmaTioN"
Here's a clue.
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Dock workers at ports get a 62% pay increase
Here's a clue.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:03 am to FLObserver
Proposed only and it takes place over a 6 year period. Like most Americans they have taken a 12%-15% inflation hit over the last 2 1/2-3 years.
Do you really think they are going to work one day making X amount and the next day they are going to make X + 62%?? Good lawd.
Do you really think they are going to work one day making X amount and the next day they are going to make X + 62%?? Good lawd.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:03 am to theronswanson
Fully automate that process and tell them to pound sand. It's almost fully automated now and they still want more money. Union will back the business in the corner and eventually lose 90% of the jobs.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:04 am to theronswanson
Not essential. Bring in those precious immigrants to work to earn their income or automate.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:17 am to Dog Tree
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Unions are no longer organized labor. They are now organized crime.
All Unions should be obolished.
ILA in particular is just a branch of the Genovese crime family. This contract speaks to how powerful the mafia remains in certain industries.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:30 am to theronswanson
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So dock workers are so essential to the economy that if they don’t work it will shut down the US but not essential enough to deserve a large pay increase?
Unloading containers is essential to the economy.
Dock workers aren’t necessarily essential to that.
And paying above-market wages to union dock workers definitely doesn’t need to be part of it.
In theory, unions can be a check on employer abuse of employees. In practice, unions are basically criminal enterprises.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:51 am to Volvagia
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You do realize the pay increase is. In line with standard wage increases right?
They haven’t had a pay increase since before COVID and this one is spread out over 6 years
I work in an industry where there hasn’t been a raise greater than 6% since 2014. Which would absolutely change work environments and cost locally on the gulf coast.
We, sure as shite, will never see even a 25% increase in pay. Not even close to the 62% longshoremen got.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:52 am to FLObserver
Will Kamala say that inflation is due to greedy dockworkers?
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