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re: Dog dental cleanings, legit or scam?
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:40 am to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:40 am to AwgustaDawg
Nice cherry pick. No it is uncommon for pets to die of periodontal disease itself. Typically it can lead to other issues and studies have shown it can potentially larger life threatening problems.
Its been linked to liver and heart disease, can cause abscesses, infections, weight loss, malnutrition, etc.
Which is entirely too high. If Gold standard medicine is followed then this number drops significantly. Its high because a lot of clinics may us anesthesia, but are they using fluids, monitoring, pre-op bloodwork, etc>? If so, then that number drops to almost 0%.
Its actually well known that vets are generally not great business people.
Its been linked to liver and heart disease, can cause abscesses, infections, weight loss, malnutrition, etc.
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The same studies find that 1.29% of dogs put under general anesthesia die in the US each year from anesthesia alone.
Which is entirely too high. If Gold standard medicine is followed then this number drops significantly. Its high because a lot of clinics may us anesthesia, but are they using fluids, monitoring, pre-op bloodwork, etc>? If so, then that number drops to almost 0%.
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It is a warped view to say that vets are good business people
Its actually well known that vets are generally not great business people.
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:43 am to indytiger
I think they are legit, the cost however, is not. I’ll usually wait until my dogs need another procedure and ask the vet to clean their teeth while they are under.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:47 am to SixthAndBarone
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Dogs have been fine for centuries without toothbrushes.
Technically so have we.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:49 am to indytiger
Oral health is legit for all animals. It’s what is best care for humans, dogs, etc… if you don’t opt for it, there is no prison. Don’t stress.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:51 am to SixthAndBarone
True, but research indicates better heath and a longer life. The question isn’t if it’s legit, it is what does your dog mean to you?
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:52 am to indytiger
I would do it.
I wish we had done it regularly with our dog, its really cost him in his older years not doing so
I wish we had done it regularly with our dog, its really cost him in his older years not doing so
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:53 am to indytiger
Scam. My dogs have all lived to ripe old ages without it.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:56 am to indytiger
All of my dogs have lived 12+ years and they were large dogs.
They’ve never had dental cleanings
They’ve also never eaten refrigerated food because…they’re dogs.
They’ve never had dental cleanings
They’ve also never eaten refrigerated food because…they’re dogs.
This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 8:58 am
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:05 am to indytiger
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So one of the dogs in question is a 10 year old yorkie. I'm very hesitant about having her go under anesthesia at her age.
10 years isn’t that old for a Yorkie. Those little a-hole rats live forever.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:10 am to BabyTac
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Vet told me the same thing last week. Estimate is close to $1000. Not sure if legit either.
Shop around.
Local vet was going to charge me $600 for two dogs. Found one in a small town, charged me $250 for both dogs
This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 9:11 am
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:12 am to sta4ever
quote:Ok Mr. Stank Breath.
Human dental cleanings are a scam.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:28 am to FearTheFish
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Ok Mr. Stank Breath.
Doesn't seem to bother dogs
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:29 am to indytiger
It’s a scam even for humans.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:43 am to WaydownSouth
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Local vet was going to charge me $600 for two dogs. Found one in a small town, charged me $250 for both dogs
Just FYI those arent the same procedures.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:49 am to indytiger
Do they keep suggesting them because you keep refusing, or do they suggest and perform for every visit? If they are trying to do them every year and have never noticed a problem; you should consider finding a new vet.
It's been a few years since I had any pets, waiting until the youngest kid is 5, but I recall my vet pushing this on us for our pets (2 cats & 1 dog) until we did it. They said their push was due to the age of them, and would be exploratory in nature unless they found something. One of the cats needed 4 teeth removed and they requested a recheck at his next annual. Told us we should be good for at least 2-3 years on the other 2 unless we notice problems or they see something obvious.
It's been a few years since I had any pets, waiting until the youngest kid is 5, but I recall my vet pushing this on us for our pets (2 cats & 1 dog) until we did it. They said their push was due to the age of them, and would be exploratory in nature unless they found something. One of the cats needed 4 teeth removed and they requested a recheck at his next annual. Told us we should be good for at least 2-3 years on the other 2 unless we notice problems or they see something obvious.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:56 am to indytiger
Small dogs (especially Yorkies) tend to have terrible teeth problems as they age. I think so many are feed exclusively soft, canned foods, and that contributes to the problem.
It’s been many years, but I once worked for a vet. I remember one aged toy poodle who died under anaesthesia and both the vet and the owner were devastated.
If I were starting out with a new dog, I would certainly feed them hard food (at least some ) and get a dental chew product toy. If started young, you can probably even get them to accept you brushing their teeth, though that is a bridge too far for most baws. At least "google" ways to keep your dog’s teeth healthy and do the things you can, particularly if you have one of the small breeds that live 17-18 years.
Just like in humans, preventive care will help. However, some breeds are more prone to problems, add in diet, age, etc, and intervention may help.
A dedicated dental school is not a thing for vets and techs, though (there is likely a specialty one can go into in vet school, but we are only talking about dental cleanings at your local vet here) . They may take a few hour class…maybe a little more training, but nothing like years long schooling specifically for dentistry, like human dentists. Maybe there is a general course in vet school (I have no idea) or tech school (again, no idea). but at your local vet, it is likely to be someone with a dental machine and a little training like a few hours CE by the company that sells the machine .. However, since it is just cleaning/scaling plaque, and pulling any rotten teeth, maybe that is all you need. No root canals or filling cavities, so……
There are vets on the OT, maybe one can speak to the level of training they get in dentistry.
It’s been many years, but I once worked for a vet. I remember one aged toy poodle who died under anaesthesia and both the vet and the owner were devastated.
If I were starting out with a new dog, I would certainly feed them hard food (at least some ) and get a dental chew product toy. If started young, you can probably even get them to accept you brushing their teeth, though that is a bridge too far for most baws. At least "google" ways to keep your dog’s teeth healthy and do the things you can, particularly if you have one of the small breeds that live 17-18 years.
Just like in humans, preventive care will help. However, some breeds are more prone to problems, add in diet, age, etc, and intervention may help.
A dedicated dental school is not a thing for vets and techs, though (there is likely a specialty one can go into in vet school, but we are only talking about dental cleanings at your local vet here) . They may take a few hour class…maybe a little more training, but nothing like years long schooling specifically for dentistry, like human dentists. Maybe there is a general course in vet school (I have no idea) or tech school (again, no idea). but at your local vet, it is likely to be someone with a dental machine and a little training like a few hours CE by the company that sells the machine .. However, since it is just cleaning/scaling plaque, and pulling any rotten teeth, maybe that is all you need. No root canals or filling cavities, so……
There are vets on the OT, maybe one can speak to the level of training they get in dentistry.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:04 am to indytiger
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Every time I take my dogs to the vet, they suggest dental cleanings. They aren't cheap, they have to put the dog under anesthesia, and sometimes have to pull multiple teeth.
So my question for the OT is, is this legit, or a money making racket by the vets? How often should it be done? Is it worth doing on 2 ten year old dogs?
Vet talked my mom into getting her Frenchies teeth cleaned and after the cleaning he started having seizures. Never had one before. Seizures is a side effect of anesthesia, especially the older a god gets. From that point on he had to be on seizure medicine the rest of his life and eventually died from seizures.
Needless to say, my Frenchies don't get their teeth cleaned, or go to that vet.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:08 am to DarlingClementine
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A dedicated dental school is not a thing for vets and techs, though (there is likely a specialty one can go into in vet school, but we are only talking about dental cleanings at your local vet here) . They may take a few hour class…maybe a little more training, but nothing like years long schooling specifically for dentistry, like human dentists. Maybe there is a general course in vet school (I have no idea) or tech school (again, no idea). but at your local vet, it is likely to be someone with a dental machine and a little training like a few hours CE by the company that sells the machine .. However, since it is just cleaning/scaling plaque, and pulling any rotten teeth, maybe that is all you need. No root canals or filling cavities, so……
You are not far off. A lot people dont realize the cost plays a lot into this too.
At most places when you pay the "lower cost" you are getting just that. A technician who is scaling the teeth under sedation and not anesthesia, with no doctor. No fluids, no monitoring equipment, no extractions, etc.
Now in most practices that are "higher cost", its because you are getting a higher standard of medicine. Bloodwork, extractions, prophy, doxirobe, fluids, monitoring, suturing, laser therapy possibly, anesthesia, full mouth dental rads, veterinarian actually doing the service
And at most stardard "higher cost" clinics these veterinarians are doing multiple dentals a week, so some will be more skilled than others. But root canals, fillings, etc. are sent off to specialists and arent that common.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:16 am to indytiger
I think it’s worth doing a few times in a dogs lifetime. They have teeth decay just like humans and it can cause bigger issues.
Wouldn’t do it yearly like a vet will recommend but once every 3 years or so wouldn’t hurt.
Wouldn’t do it yearly like a vet will recommend but once every 3 years or so wouldn’t hurt.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:20 am to indytiger
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, is this legit
Yes, depending on the dog.
One of my labs never had anything done and was fine. My other lab just had 7 teeth pulled at the age of 9. It has been life changing for her. Little dogs definitely need them more than large breeds.
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Is it worth doing on 2 ten year old dogs?
If it does not affect their eating or if their breath isn't straight garbage, then I would not do it. Also need to consider the effects of anesthesia on old animals.
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