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re: Everyone Hates Data Centers it is almost universal
Posted on 2/24/26 at 10:13 pm to gladchiefisgone
Posted on 2/24/26 at 10:13 pm to gladchiefisgone
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Port Washington, Wis. -- Tom Uttech has lived on his 52-acre property in Saukville, Wisconsin, for nearly 40 years.
From outside Uttech's home art studio, the landscape is filled with rolling hills, topped with wildflowers that build to the highest point in the township, where rows of evergreens that Uttech says he planted by hand in 1988 have since grown into mature trees.
"That kind of scares me because I didn't think I was that old," Uttech said of the trees that he's watched grow over the decades.
The 83-year-old renowned landscape painter, whose work has been displayed at museums across the country, has spent hundreds of hours and years of work over the last few decades maintaining and curating his land into a sweeping prairie that has come to serve as the inspiration for his work and his livelihood.
It's a lifetime of work that Uttech now says has come under threat after receiving a letter in the mail from his utility company informing him that a massive power line would need to be built through his property, undoing years of work and stripping away the muse for his art.
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Uttech is facing what other residents in his town -- and others around the country -- are facing more and more: the risk of losing parts of his land to eminent domain, the government's legal authority to seize private property for public use, in support of the growing expansion of AI data centers as the demand to power them continues to grow.
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Posted on 2/24/26 at 11:22 pm to UltimaParadox
I track metro Atlanta data center construction as part of my Business Development job. There have been about 90 DC projects in metro over the last 6 years. QTS is currently building out a mega campus on the Southside. Sixteen separate DC buildings that average about 300k sf per. That is one campus. Switch is building one in Cartersville about the same size. DC developers currently building in Atlanta include:
Microsoft
AWS (Amazon Web Services)
Meta
DC Blox
T5 Data Centers
Google
Switch
QTS
DataBank
Edgeconnex
Stream DC
Every one of those have 1 or more campuses with current construction. AWS has two huge campuses being developed. One in Covington and one about to start in Douglasville.
Microsoft is about to start its 3rd campus in East Point.
Atlanta metro has an absurd amount of DCs.
Microsoft
AWS (Amazon Web Services)
Meta
DC Blox
T5 Data Centers
Switch
QTS
DataBank
Edgeconnex
Stream DC
Every one of those have 1 or more campuses with current construction. AWS has two huge campuses being developed. One in Covington and one about to start in Douglasville.
Microsoft is about to start its 3rd campus in East Point.
Atlanta metro has an absurd amount of DCs.
Posted on 2/24/26 at 11:32 pm to Gauge
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Because the alternative is that China wins the AI race and we all speak Chinese. That’s if we’re incredibly lucky that is.
It’s more likely that if China wins the AI race, they just decide to dispose of all of the none Chinese people.
I find it amazing that a couple of Chinese LLM’s and diffusion models can instill this level of doomerism in real people.
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So why again are you so hell bent on stopping the U.S. development of AI?
Holy hyperbole.
I’m.. not? I don’t think regulated utilities with sanctioned monopolies should be able to enter into contracts that are hidden behind NDA’s. Considering the utility makes the same profit on the capital investment regardless of who pays for it, and considering that the tech companies’ incentive is to obtain the cheapest deals possible, I think it creates a major conflict of interest that could be easily negated by simply making the details of the deals public.
I’m not sure how that stance makes me “hell bent on stopping US development of AI.”
Posted on 2/25/26 at 12:09 am to UltimaParadox
Problem is China WILL build them then take over the world with superior tech infrastructure. That will eventually be the differentiator. They don't give a shite about the environment and by then it will be too late for us to catch up. Not to say individual communities shouldn't care, but as a relatively free society/economy who gives autonomy to local government, and actually cares a little about human rights, we are stuck between a rock and a hard place, policy-wise.
This post was edited on 2/25/26 at 12:16 am
Posted on 2/25/26 at 3:56 am to UltimaParadox
It's seems most people in here are Ok with China winning the AI race. Which will also mean the destruction of the USA.
Growing pains are ... painful.
Growing pains are ... painful.
Posted on 2/25/26 at 4:37 am to Gravitiger
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They don't give a shite about the environment
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China’s carbon dioxide emissions have plateaued in 2025, indicating the country may have reached a peak after years of being the world’s top emitter.
The plateau reflects how China’s record-setting build-out of wind and solar power and rapid expansion into electric vehicles has tempered fossil-fuel emissions, according to the nonprofit Center for Research on Energy and Clean Air.
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Not to knight for China, because there's plenty to criticize them for, but they appear to be serious about reducing carbon emissions, at least for now. At any rate, I've always been nonplussed by the "Country A has shitty environmental practices, so let's follow suit" argument.
This post was edited on 2/25/26 at 4:41 am
Posted on 2/25/26 at 5:14 am to 225Tyga
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The product that Data Centers are producing is changing the world at this very second. People will get over the Data Centers once construction builds out but it is needed for our civilization to take the next steps forward.
Please, tell us what great things are being produced, because all I see is targeted advertising, mass surveillance, stupid fake media, harmful automation, and chatbots for people too pathetic to think for themselves or form human connections.
Posted on 2/25/26 at 5:54 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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Please, tell us what great things are being produced, because all I see is targeted advertising, mass surveillance, stupid fake media, harmful automation, and chatbots for people too pathetic to think for themselves or form human connections.
It’s pretty early in its development curve but the one obvious use has been in military operations like the Venezuela raid.
Future things it could do: new medical treatments, Fusion breakthroughs and other energy sources, cheap manufacturing, etc.
I don’t disagree with folks that say it could be awful for humanity. But there’s a chance it’s great for humanity. And it’s going to happen whether you want it or not so would it not be best for the US to be the one leading it. Because if it’s not us, it’s probably China.
Posted on 2/25/26 at 6:04 am to NukemVol
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It’s pretty early in its development curve but the one obvious use has been in military operations like the Venezuela raid.
That's all well and good but it's a short step to autonomous killbots, which the DoD/DoW/whatever the frick clearly has in mind with forcing Anthropic to remove its guardails.
None of this gives me a warm fuzzy feeling about AI.
Posted on 2/25/26 at 6:17 am to Turnblad85
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It's seems most people in here are Ok with China winning the AI race. Which will also mean the destruction of the USA.
If this is a matter of national security then the Feds/DoW should be kicking in funding. Like they are doing with the Gramercy alumina refinery expansion and renovation; and rare earth extraction facilities that are being built here. Instead of local and regional utility costumers getting the shaft.
Posted on 2/25/26 at 6:47 am to 14caratgoldjones
I saw an article where commercial developers were having issues finding large tracts of land as data centers were out-bidding them by a substantial margin.
Unfortunately, I don't recall where this was....
Unfortunately, I don't recall where this was....
Posted on 2/25/26 at 6:58 am to UltimaParadox
I freaking love data centers. Hate solar farms.
OP, hope this helps.
OP, hope this helps.
Posted on 2/25/26 at 7:31 am to fightin tigers
Not anymore. Meta bought more land earlier this month and now 1/4 the size of manhattan.
Posted on 2/25/26 at 9:37 am to UltimaParadox
ALL of these data centers are vital. Just look at the important use cases they are promoting.
Posted on 2/25/26 at 9:57 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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If this is a matter of national security then the Feds/DoW should be kicking in funding.
oh yeah, the best way is government intervention. Everyone knows that.
Posted on 2/25/26 at 4:31 pm to NukemVol
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It’s pretty early in its development curve but the one obvious use has been in military operations like the Venezuela raid. Future things it could do: new medical treatments, Fusion breakthroughs and other energy sources, cheap manufacturing, etc.
Yeah, we totally needed AI to arrest the dictator of a backwards South American country…
I’ll give you the medical possibilities. Saw a really heartening report on using these advanced models to match existing drugs to untreated diseases at the molecular level - quantitative analysis that would have been almost impossible for humans to perform in any reasonable time.
But these specialized cases could be implemented in a much more controlled and responsible manner. This is a tool that should be reserved for tackling humanity’s greatest threats and scourges.
Additionally, the logic of “we have to build Skynet before China!!1” is absurd.
Posted on 2/25/26 at 5:38 pm to UltimaParadox
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People finally waking up in communities
Meanwhile we’re all doing google searches and querying AI.
Posted on 2/25/26 at 6:48 pm to Penrod
If you actually have an LLM on your phone/pc I hope it sterilizes you.
As far as Google searches go, it seems like that “AI” just summarizes the top hits, which a 3rd grader could do. At least when I was in 3rd grade, maybe they can’t now.
As far as Google searches go, it seems like that “AI” just summarizes the top hits, which a 3rd grader could do. At least when I was in 3rd grade, maybe they can’t now.
Posted on 2/25/26 at 6:57 pm to M3RC
Hope like hell they aren't but it would be par for the course in STT.
Posted on 2/25/26 at 6:59 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
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If you actually have an LLM on your phone/pc I hope it sterilizes you.
I bought Chat GPT two days ago.
I bought it after I read this
This post was edited on 2/25/26 at 7:00 pm
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