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re: Forget violent rapist Alton Sterling, it's Philando Castile who needs coverage
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:54 pm to DrSteveBrule
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:54 pm to DrSteveBrule
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by that logic you should tremble in fear when you bump into a police officer in a back ally, but if Jihadi john walks by you can rest easy.
Well look at it this way- who killed more innocent civilians last year- LEO or Hadjis?
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:55 pm to slackster
I didn't have a problem as much with that quote as one of his other statements that was to me more irresponsible. I don't remember the specifics though. When a reporter called him out on it (pointing out that we haven't seen the actual shooting in the video to corroborate the gf story) he completely back tracked.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:55 pm to REG861
this is very sad. I don't know what upsets me more....the shooting or the girlfriend streaming her boyfriend dying. 
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:57 pm to MC5601
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where I truly feel like the police were in the wrong and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law
I tend to feel the same way. Just remember that feelings and rational thought are two totally separate things. How about we wait until we have the facts. You know, because The Rule of Law trumps our feelings.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:59 pm to Lsupimp
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You know, because The Rule of Law, when applied justly, trumps our feelings.
FIFY. It is just getting harder and harder to believe we have anything resembling a just system.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:00 pm to DrSteveBrule
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So by that logic you should tremble in fear when you bump into a police officer in a back ally, but if Jihadi john walks by you can rest easy.
No, that isn't the proper logic at all. In the context of which poses a bigger threat to Americans, the flu would be a bigger concern than ebola, no? The flu doesn't have a fatality rate anywhere close to ebola, but the chances of an American dying at the hands of the flu are much, much higher than they are with ebola.
The same is true with police and terrorists. I'm just posting facts, you can interpret it as you see fit.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:01 pm to MC5601
Yep, Castile's death is tragic and should be receiving all of the attention. I feel saddened by his death, it should have never happened. It sounds like the guy did everything right and was still shot - at least according to the video evidence thus far. We'll see if the police body cam shows a different side, but I doubt it.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:03 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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You were there?
Were you?
Do you think this is how it went?
Castile: I have a firearm and CCW permit, officer.
Officer: Okay please reach for it and present it.
Castile: Yes sir.
Officer: BAM! BAM! BAM! BAM! Ha got em!
From the reports I have read Castile was reaching for his license, insurance etc when he remembered he had his gun on him when he saw it next to his wallet and the cop saw it at the same time. Im not saying the cop acted appropriately, im only saying he isnt some savage Klan member.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:04 pm to NoNameTiger
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Cops are a bigger threat today than Islamic terrorists.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:10 pm to Drank
quote:People keep laughing at this, but it is entirely true.
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Cops are a bigger threat today than Islamic terrorists.
Statistically, you are far more likely to be killed by an LEO than a terrorist.
A good comparison someone made earlier is the flu vs Ebola.
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:21 pm to VOLcano
This isn't about racism IMO.
This is about poorly trained aggressive police officers that end up being accuser, jury and executioner.
I failed to mention in my previous post, that not only was this a routine traffic stop involving a driver with a seat belt, GF in passenger - there was a 4 year old in the backseat. This dude was driving his family and got 4 bullets into him still with his seatbelt on. That could be you.
I'll tell a quick story from my youth, I age the OT. I was 18 yo white HS Honors student in 1989 about to graduate from popular NOLA Catholic school and join the USAR. My friends and I are driving around admittedly doing mischief, cops pull us over. All of us get out, put our hands on the car, get frisked, no resisting. Cop walks behind me and asked "who did it?" He waits. Thinking he's talking to me, I said, "I didn't do it" not sure what he meant. That serve and protect officer loaded up his flashlight like a hitter swinging for the fences and crushed me from behind into my rib cage.
I grew up with cops my whole life, I have many friends that are law enforcement and have the utmost respect for them. But there are bad apples and blindly justifying their actions is not only a mistake, it shows a lack of truth and intelligence.
This is about poorly trained aggressive police officers that end up being accuser, jury and executioner.
I failed to mention in my previous post, that not only was this a routine traffic stop involving a driver with a seat belt, GF in passenger - there was a 4 year old in the backseat. This dude was driving his family and got 4 bullets into him still with his seatbelt on. That could be you.
I'll tell a quick story from my youth, I age the OT. I was 18 yo white HS Honors student in 1989 about to graduate from popular NOLA Catholic school and join the USAR. My friends and I are driving around admittedly doing mischief, cops pull us over. All of us get out, put our hands on the car, get frisked, no resisting. Cop walks behind me and asked "who did it?" He waits. Thinking he's talking to me, I said, "I didn't do it" not sure what he meant. That serve and protect officer loaded up his flashlight like a hitter swinging for the fences and crushed me from behind into my rib cage.
I grew up with cops my whole life, I have many friends that are law enforcement and have the utmost respect for them. But there are bad apples and blindly justifying their actions is not only a mistake, it shows a lack of truth and intelligence.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:34 pm to VOLcano
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im only saying he isnt some savage Klan member.
I think only the truly paranoid or disturbed really think that
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:35 pm to MC5601
That video actually shows less than the BR video.
They are both tragedies. Let's not rate one from the other.
They are both tragedies. Let's not rate one from the other.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:42 pm to drizztiger
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But there are bad apples and blindly justifying their actions is not only a mistake, it shows a lack of truth and intelligence.
Im not blindly justifying his actions at all, I said he probably didn't act appropriate for the situation. But that does not mean he acted out of aggression, he panicked. Whether that was a lack of training or another factor we will never know. And I know there are overly aggressive and bad cops out there but I dont think this is one.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:44 pm to drizztiger
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This is about poorly trained aggressive police officers that end up being accuser, jury and executioner.
don´t discount the fear for his safety which he surely felt.
That said, you are correct in all of your post, as far as I am concerned.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:51 pm to Negative Nomad
Really, u must be a high school drop out cop. Tell me this wtf did the cop handcuff the women in front of her daughter? the cop was out of control u can tell by his voice inflection and comments after the fact.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:53 pm to MC5601
Still not near enough information on that incident to draw any conclusions. The only video that exists is after the shooting. Though from what it looks like at the moment it seems very plausible that the cop panicked and shot him unjustifiably.
The simple fact is, every incident should be treated INDIVIDUALLY and on it's own merits. They are not linked and there is no conspiracy amongst police forces to shoot blacks. Circumstances are unique in every situation. But I agree, the Minnesota shooting looks like it has more legs in respect to an unlawful shoot.
The simple fact is, every incident should be treated INDIVIDUALLY and on it's own merits. They are not linked and there is no conspiracy amongst police forces to shoot blacks. Circumstances are unique in every situation. But I agree, the Minnesota shooting looks like it has more legs in respect to an unlawful shoot.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:56 pm to MC5601
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This is the first nationally publicized incident (Gray, Brown, Rice) where I truly feel like the police were in the wrong and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
While it could very well end up this way, we literally have zero facts or evidence to go either way. It feels like I'm taking crazy pills hearing everyone talk about how this cop should get the death penalty and yada yada bullshite.
As of now, Sterling is much worse because they facts line up with the cops being in the wrong. Witnesses have gone on record and video from several angles show that the cops were at least quick. But with Castile there is nothing out there yet.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:58 pm to NYNolaguy1
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who killed more innocent civilians last year
Innocent civilians? Hadjis.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:00 pm to NYNolaguy1
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It is just getting harder and harder to believe we have anything resembling a just system.
You talking about the Clintons now?? Poli board.
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