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re: Mandatory Birth Control Thoughts...
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:50 am to Salamander_Wilson
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:50 am to Salamander_Wilson
Wearing Jimmy Caps ain't keepin' it real brah.
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:51 am to Tyga Woods
I think there's a good chance that mandatory birth control results in a big increase in spread of STDs since it could lead to more people to have unprotected sex since they wouldn't be worried about unintended pregnancies.
How about we just reform the welfare system and make people take more personal responsibility. A good start would be to stop handing out EBT cards that are nearly as good as cash. Make it vouchers. You get a voucher for case of baby food, voucher for formula, voucher for diapers, voucher for bread, milk, cold cuts, etc. It ridiculous to see someone who supposedly can't afford to buy their own groceries, but they whip out that Louisiana Purchase card to buy 10 lbs of boiled crawfish at $6.00 lb that'll feed 2 people.
If you stop making welfare and food stamps an attractive option, people will start making more responsible decisions. When kids spend their whole lives watching people basically live entirely on government handouts, it does nothing to encourage that kid to work hard to be successful in life because they know they can be a lazy screw up and Uncle Sam will meet all their needs.
How about we just reform the welfare system and make people take more personal responsibility. A good start would be to stop handing out EBT cards that are nearly as good as cash. Make it vouchers. You get a voucher for case of baby food, voucher for formula, voucher for diapers, voucher for bread, milk, cold cuts, etc. It ridiculous to see someone who supposedly can't afford to buy their own groceries, but they whip out that Louisiana Purchase card to buy 10 lbs of boiled crawfish at $6.00 lb that'll feed 2 people.
If you stop making welfare and food stamps an attractive option, people will start making more responsible decisions. When kids spend their whole lives watching people basically live entirely on government handouts, it does nothing to encourage that kid to work hard to be successful in life because they know they can be a lazy screw up and Uncle Sam will meet all their needs.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:51 am to notiger1997
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I would be all for the government proposed to pay for the surgery and offering a $2500 one time payment to any low life counts over the age of 18 who wanted to have the procedure done. So many of our problems in this country stem from scum having kids they can't or won't support.
Medicaid covers the procedure for women to get their tubes tide so the government already cover the pay for poor women. The 2500 incentive is not a bad idea.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:53 am to Tyga Woods
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If you had a daughter, and could prevent her from having a child until she graduated high school or college by simply giving her a shot every 6 months, would you do it?
That's a good point, but is it really though? Like when you think about it.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:55 am to notiger1997
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I'm talking about adult women who are third generation government tit suckers. Who also have multiple drug arrest among other arrest, maybe who have already had a few kids with one or both being born with drugs in their system, etc.
OK, but that is not who the OP was talking about. You strayed, clarify.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:55 am to McCaigBro69
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The problem is, is that these people aren't shamed anymore. Even back when I was in high school from 05-09, it was an embarrassment to the teenager and to the family as a whole.
You gotta be shittin me. Way back in 2009 huh? I was in High School 20 years before that and I remember one chick, trashy yes, passing out baby shower invitations in 10th grade homeroom.
All the statistics show teen pregnancy is down a lot since the 80s and early 90s across race and economic levels.
If you are gonna reminisce, try something you know about like that time last week when your testicles finally dropped.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:55 am to Tiger Prawn
I'm no doctor, but I imagine that STD's aren't nearly the threat to the well being of this country as uneducated and impoverished young people.
I agree with the welfare reform. I've said for years that the food stamp program should be run like WIC. No convenience foods at all, and definitely no ribeyes or seafood.
I agree with the welfare reform. I've said for years that the food stamp program should be run like WIC. No convenience foods at all, and definitely no ribeyes or seafood.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:57 am to Tyga Woods
Mandatory birth control is a cop out for improving social services, foster care, and the adoption system in this country. All three are an utter shitshow and it would make a world of difference if we revamped all three.
But as far as birth control itself, not all women can use birth control medication. There's a reason it has to be prescribed by a doctor (even at a clinic). There are medical risks to being on birth control for an extended period of time, especially if you have a family history of blood clots/high blood pressure.
And for as many women as there is popping out multiple babies for a welfare check, there are just as many men who have multiple children by multiple women without paying child support. So if we're going to go all in, might as well start handing out vasectomies if you can't keep your dick in your pants and take responsibility for your kids.
But as far as birth control itself, not all women can use birth control medication. There's a reason it has to be prescribed by a doctor (even at a clinic). There are medical risks to being on birth control for an extended period of time, especially if you have a family history of blood clots/high blood pressure.
And for as many women as there is popping out multiple babies for a welfare check, there are just as many men who have multiple children by multiple women without paying child support. So if we're going to go all in, might as well start handing out vasectomies if you can't keep your dick in your pants and take responsibility for your kids.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 10:58 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:57 am to LucasP
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That's a good point, but is it really though? Like when you think about it.
You are definitely one of my favorite posters. 
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:58 am to Tyga Woods
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Mandatory Birth Control Thoughts...
Maybe not on an age scale, but on a self sufficient scale? Have prerequisites to getting a "child license" such as IQ testing, proof of property ownership, credit scores, income, family assets, etc.
Low IQ, don't own property, low/no income, on government assistance = 1 child only
Normal IQ, own property, middle class income, no government assistance = as many children as you want
This would be insane, but I guarantee you the crime rate would plummet within 15-20 years. It's the same premise and theory that Freakonomics has on as abortion rates increase crime rates decrease dramatically 20 years later.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 10:58 am to GAAtty70
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All the statistics show teen pregnancy is down a lot since the 80s and early 90s across race and economic levels.
I read an article a while back ( LINK) that, no lie, that the teen pregnancy show on MTV helped to drop the teen pregnancy rate.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 11:00 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:01 am to dnm3305
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proof of property ownership
Meh. You don't have to own a house in order to be able to be financially stable enough to raise a kid. Especially if you live in a city where you want to live "in the city" where literally all you can do is rent.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:01 am to BluegrassBelle
Wouldn't birth control improve, or at least reduce the need for those services?
I don't know if there is a male birth control available, but if it were, then the boys wouldn't be exempt from the mandate
I don't know if there is a male birth control available, but if it were, then the boys wouldn't be exempt from the mandate
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:05 am to Tyga Woods
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Wouldn't birth control improve, or at least reduce the need for those services?
Like I said, you're requiring mandatory birth control for all women of that age. Not all women can take prescription birth control for a host of medical reasons. Then you have religious exceptions and given that about a quarter of the US population is Catholic you'd have a hard time pushing that as mandatory.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:08 am to Tyga Woods
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What are your thoughts on a birth control mandate, from ages 15-20?
it is another predictable step in our steady progression towards communism and dictatorship. hope I don't live to see how it all turns out.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:09 am to BluegrassBelle
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Meh. You don't have to own a house in order to be able to be financially stable enough to raise a kid. Especially if you live in a city where you want to live "in the city" where literally all you can do is rent.
What I am proposing is an either/or scenario, not an all of the above.
Have a low IQ but work your arse off and have a middle class income with no government assistance but rent your entire life - you qualify.
Have a high IQ, own your own property, have a middle class income with no government assistance - you qualify.
Low IQ, low/no income, no property and suck on the tit - don't qualify for more than 1 child.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:12 am to Tyga Woods
Instead of trying to "fix" kids from having babies, why not educate them on safe sex and hold them accountable and make them raise the child when they don't. They will learn real quick if they have any sense.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:13 am to elposter
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How would this work? How would you enforce it?
Tie it to government benefits.
If they receive government benefits they must go on birth control.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:13 am to HottyToddy7
The problem there is that most kids have no sense. If you take a look the next time you're at Walmart, most adults have very little sense.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 11:14 am to NYNolaguy1
A very good idea.
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