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re: Nashville School Shooting
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:35 pm to LSUGent
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:35 pm to LSUGent
Sorry dude, I have a job and can’t answer you in 5 mins.
You’re right, mass shootings are a frequent issue in this current time and history vs the past. I’m not denying that. I’m also not denying that mental health in our society has deteriorated. Probably due to countless things I.e pill prescriptions, declining family values, stress, social media, an economy that is boxing people completely out eradicating the American dream. A lot of these issues are complex sociological issues that don’t have a common solution. You know what does have a relatively common solution? The countries needless obsession with firearms and the lack of any ability to try and change anything.
The common denominator on the vast majority of the senseless violence, regardless of the reason the lunatic did it in the first place , is the use of firearms. Times need to change with what is currently happening. I’m not a fricking expert on this shite man and neither are you. I don’t know what the answer it but doing nothing expect praying seems like a slap in the face to the parents who have to bury their kid or the kid that is mentally fricked the rest of his life because he survived a school shooting.
You’re right, mass shootings are a frequent issue in this current time and history vs the past. I’m not denying that. I’m also not denying that mental health in our society has deteriorated. Probably due to countless things I.e pill prescriptions, declining family values, stress, social media, an economy that is boxing people completely out eradicating the American dream. A lot of these issues are complex sociological issues that don’t have a common solution. You know what does have a relatively common solution? The countries needless obsession with firearms and the lack of any ability to try and change anything.
The common denominator on the vast majority of the senseless violence, regardless of the reason the lunatic did it in the first place , is the use of firearms. Times need to change with what is currently happening. I’m not a fricking expert on this shite man and neither are you. I don’t know what the answer it but doing nothing expect praying seems like a slap in the face to the parents who have to bury their kid or the kid that is mentally fricked the rest of his life because he survived a school shooting.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 12:37 pm
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Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:36 pm to WDE24
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Ok. Let’s start there. What do you propose?
Keeping repeat violent offenders in prison. They have proven to be predators.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:37 pm to ChiGator
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The common denominator on the vast majority of the senseless violence, regardless of the reason the lunatic did it in the first place , is the use of firearms. Times need to change with what is currently happening. I’m not a fricking expert on this shite man and neither are you. I don’t know what the answer it but doing nothing expect praying seems like a slap in the face to the parents who have to bury their kid or the kid that is mentally fricked the rest of his life.
What we need is common sense, Democrat voter control.
Democrat voting blocs commit the vast majority of violent crime. Why is this?
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:37 pm to WDE24
Prosecutorial discretion is what got us here. If you commit a crime where gross bodily injury is either a byproduct, possibile outcome, or the intent of the crime, you should lose all rights to freedom
Don't talk to me about the constitution if you are going to ignore or change the meaning of 2A
Don't talk to me about the constitution if you are going to ignore or change the meaning of 2A
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:37 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
It’s called population density.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Keeping repeat violent offenders in prison. They have proven to be predators.
The vast majority of school shooters have no prior record, bought their guns legally or took them from their parents. Good try.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:39 pm to TCO
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The vast majority of school shooters have no prior record, bought their guns legally or took them from their parents. Good try.
And the vast majority of mass shootings occur with handguns, of which you own 4. Why would you own a weapon of such mass death?
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:39 pm to TCO
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Keeping repeat violent offenders in prison. They have proven to be predators.
The vast majority of school shooters have no prior record, bought their guns legally or took them from their parents. Good try.
So what do you propose as a gun owner? All I see is you wanting everyone to prove your arguments for you.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:40 pm to ChiGator
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You know what does have a relatively common solution? The countries needless obsession with firearms and the lack of any ability to try and change anything.
The data on the number of firearms in this country compared to the number of gun homicides do not support your claim.
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I’m not a fricking expert on this shite man and neither are you.
I am. Ask questions instead of throwing around solutions that have been shown to be ineffective over and over, or worse, emotional "we must do something" rhetoric.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:40 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:Don’t you think there are situations where it has its place? Do you think legislation always considers the unintended consequences?
Prosecutorial discretion is what got us here.
quote:So even a fist fight?
If you commit a crime where gross bodily injury is either a byproduct or the intent of the crime, you should lose all rights to freedom
quote:Where did I advocate to ignore or change the meaning of the 2A? Don’t preach the protection of the 2A if you aren’t willing to consider the protection of the rest of it.
Don't talk to me about the constitution if you are going to ignore or change the meaning of 2A
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:40 pm to ChiGator
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The point I’m making is that the targeted gun violence in chicago is driven by gangs. Dudes in chicago aren’t just shooting up a street corner to kill innocent people. They’re targeting a rival street gang. It’s a difference vs random mass shootings no matter how you want to look at it. Obviously both are wrong.
I bet you more innocent people are killed in "gang violence" yearly than in "mass shootings". I don't have the stats, and I don't care enough to look them up, but there is no shortage of stories of kids and random people catching stray bullets from the gang who couldn't shoot straight.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:41 pm to TCO
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The vast majority of school shooters have no prior record,
The vast majority should have had records as most are on record making threats.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:41 pm to ChiGator
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The common denominator on the vast majority of the senseless violence, regardless of the reason the lunatic did it in the first place , is the use of firearms.
You were so close
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:42 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I don't see how. It's not like these people are attacking armed and capable individuals.
He's saying that if its required to have firearm training to own a firearm, those that are carrying out mass shooting will also be better trained.
Regardless, mass shootings are not the result of poor firearm awareness and training, so requiring firearm safety courses isn't going to deter those types of events from happening. That's why he said, if anything, it would be a net negative because there's no net positive if we're talking about training requirement preventing incidents like yesterday.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:42 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:42 pm to TCO
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Give me per capita school deaths in America vs England. That is what we are discussing.
Why don't you. You made the initial claim that England's gun laws have worked. So wouldn't the burden fall on you to show your work?
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:47 pm to WDE24
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Don’t you think there are situations where it has its place?
Nope. Do crime, do time. People who take lives serve months to a couple years sometimes, and that's bullshite
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So even a fist fight?
Is it a fight or an attack? Some states have mutual combat
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Where did I advocate to ignore or change the meaning of the 2A? Don’t preach the protection of the 2A if you aren’t willing to consider the protection of the rest of it.
I fail to see how you're violating constitutional rights by holding people accontable for their actions. It seems like you were looking for options you could shoot down as harder or less fair than infringing on 2A
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:48 pm to lsufball19
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He's saying that if its required to have firearm training to own a firearm, those that are carrying out mass shooting will also be better trained.
I didn't say anything about a requirement.
But, my point stands. These people are attacking children. I don't know how to put it without sounding callous, so I'll just say that it doesn't exactly require a lot of training to be that kind of coward.
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Regardless, mass shootings are not the result of poor firearm awareness and training, so requiring firearm safety courses isn't going to deter those types of events from happening.
Again, never said anything about requirements.
But, I'll disagree. This is partly a cultural issue, and people who grew up with firearms almost exclusively are not the ones doing this.
I'll say it as many times as I need to...I'm not proposing this as an absolute solution. I'm asserting that it's a positive.
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:49 pm to ChiGator
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ChiGator
Do you have any clue what my position is on either of those topics?
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:49 pm to LegendInMyMind
Yeah you might be right. Again what’s killing the people in the first place is the tool being used. Unless the gangster disciple on the street corner is going to start throwing axes at his Latin King rival.
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