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re: Pre-Dawn Raid Results in Mobile Police Shooting Armed 16 year old
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:28 am to im4LSU
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:28 am to im4LSU
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Im not the one that used another ACTUAL crime to try to justify why the cops were met with a 16 year old holding a gun in their face when they legally entered a home.
No, you're the one that apparently was serious when they said impersonating law enforcement is a crime. As if criminals care.
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Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:32 am to Boss13
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I agree, everyone that breaks the law should be shot.
Get caught smoking dope? -shot
Caught jaywalking? - shot
speeding? - shot
lied about your income on your taxes? - shot
We are servants to the law because the law is only good.
Come on, man. You know he didn't get shot over weed.
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the 16 year old pointed a laser sighted pistol at police
This part is why he got shot. This one really isn't difficult.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:34 am to EarlyCuyler3
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As if criminals care
No fricking shite.
That wasn't the point. The other cat tried to use the other criminal's action to justify why the 16 year old had a gun pointed at the cops.
I'm sorry that you can't see the issue there.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:35 am to kywildcatfanone
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Have you ever considered that some laws might just perhaps be unjust and really none of the government's business?
Then change the laws,
Precisely. Cops have to enforce laws, but we have too many laws and regulations.
Want change? Start with your local laws and ordinances.
These children seem to want massive legal status and freedom.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:35 am to Ribbed
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Thank God we put a dent in the marijuana trade last night. Pushing back against those drug dealers.
i mean, regardless of how you feel about the drug trade, pointing a gun at police officers isn't a smart move
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:37 am to tilco
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Shouldn’t they have had better intelligence as to who was in the house?
They don’t use intelligence for common drug dealers pushing deadly drugs.
Now if he was a Jan 6 protester, then months of surveillance will be needed along with full swat with multiple federal agencies with tanks and choppers woukd be needed.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 7:40 am
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:38 am to VADawg
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This part is why he got shot. This one really isn't difficult.
Yep, the usual folks are reacting with emotions instead of reason and logic, as always. I tend to agree with them that pre-dawn raids over some weed is overly heavy handed but if you point a gun at the police you're likely to get shot.
They know that, they're just being dishonest
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:43 am to RATeamWannabe
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i mean, regardless of how you feel about the drug trade, pointing a gun at police officers isn't a smart move
Well, sure.
I don’t think it has to be mutually exclusive to say the kid shouldn’t have pointed a gun at an officer (which will get you shot) but maybe the cops shouldn’t have been there in that capacity in the first place?
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:44 am to FredBear
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but if you point a gun at the police you're likely to get shot.
You're saying that like the kid knew 100% that it was a cop at that time of the morning? Like I said before. literally anyone can bang on your door saying its a cop then kick it in?
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that pre-dawn raids over some weed is overly heavy handed
This. It wasn't murder. There weren't hostages. Why was there a pre-dawn raid?
Apparently those cops suck at their job. They couldn't get him during the day, and clearly BOTCHED the raid bc he wasn't even there.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:45 am to FredBear
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Yep, the usual folks are reacting with emotions instead of reason and logic, as always. I tend to agree with them that pre-dawn raids over some weed is overly heavy handed but if you point a gun at the police you're likely to get shot.
Yep.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:46 am to EarlyCuyler3
You would think rank and file would push back against Brass and administration against doing these types of raids. It's unfortunate , 'mUh clean shot' or not, that this officer has to live with the fact he ended a 16yo teenagers life that wasn't even the target of the nonsensical raid.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:47 am to tilco
Jeez.
Didn’t realize the OT had so many bootlickers
Didn’t realize the OT had so many bootlickers
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:47 am to JTM72
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Apparently those cops suck at their job. They couldn't get him during the day, and clearly BOTCHED the raid bc he wasn't even there.
Like I said earlier in the thread, I want to know the process that took them from neighbors reporting suspicious activity to a pre-dawn raid.
Were there attempts to detain this dealer before the raid? Do they not take a risk assessment of who is in the house? The news reported there were multiple younger children. And apparently the guy wasn’t even there so do they even attempt legitimate surveillance before making a raid like this?
ETA: It’s not unreasonable at all to question PD policy here. These people still serve civilians on tax payers dime.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 7:49 am
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:48 am to tilco
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was all that force really worth it for some weed?
I've got to believe they were after more than that. Obviously you never watched the Wire-the stash house is always on the move
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:49 am to im4LSU
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I'm sorry that you can't see the issue there.
No, you can't see the issue. The issue isn't that they got the right house this time. The issue is that they don't routinely/
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:51 am to BluegrassBelle
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Like I said earlier in the thread, I want to know the process that took them from neighbors reporting suspicious activity to a pre-dawn raid.
Were there attempts to detain this dealer before the raid? Do they not take a risk assessment of who is in the house? The news reported there were multiple younger children. And apparently the guy wasn’t even there so do they even attempt legitimate surveillance before making a raid like this?
This, 100%. Everyone defending the cops on here clearly think cops NEVER frick up at their jobs, or if they do, they should get a pass cause there cops. Typically I'm on the police side, but at the same time, I think cops should be held accountable for when they frick up. Which does happen, unfortunately quite often.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:52 am to EarlyCuyler3
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Yeah, pre-dawn raids are much safer than arresting people while they're in public. I imagine a lot of the people that support this were actively cheering on the ATF/FBI at Waco. It just makes absolutely no sense. It's about one thing: showing who's in charge.
You are a dumass and really don’t know what you are talking about. It is much safer. They are usually confined to one area. Little to no chance for escape. They have a chance to escape or take hostages in the public. It also prevents any potential shootout with innocents getting killed.
They also want to catch the drugs/guns or confiscate them while in the house.
What good is catching a guy in public with a dime bag of weed on him in wal mart. He will be out in a few hours. You want to catch the guy with bricks of coke and and the ten stolen guns in his house to get them off the street and in prison for years.
Not to mention, during early morning raids, people are usually in a deep sleep and less aware of what’s going on and slow to react so less issues likely to occur.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 7:57 am
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:53 am to tilco
All that for some weed? Way to go, idiots.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:54 am to Boss13
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Why are you breaking into peoples houses if you need evidence? Should America require you to have all the evidence you need to convict before they break into your house and shoot at you and your family? If the case hangs on what they recover at a crime scene, then they never had probable cause.
You may want to look up the definition of reasonable suspicion, probable cause, and beyond a reasonable doubt and how each one plays into the legal system. Your post hints that you have no idea and I would hate for you to keep making a fool of yourself in public.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:55 am to Townedrunkard
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during early morning raids, people are usually in a deep sleep and less aware of what’s going on
Thus more likely to jump up and grab their gun because they have no idea who is busting through their door
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