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Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:46 pm to SneezyBeltranIsHere
Yes, making fun of the man’s religious beliefs is definitely what was necessary and missing in this thread.
Hope that made you feel better about yourself.
Hope that made you feel better about yourself.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:50 pm to N2daWild
On behalf of
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N2daWild
quote:(happy to help, please keep them coming!)
I will try to post a few photos later
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This is my step son and daughter. He wants to take up a rifle and fight for his country. He is 15, just a kid.
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My daughter
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Empty field close to where my family is (1/4 mile). An apartment building was bombed in 2014 there. Directly to the left and right across is the abandoned factory where the Ukrainian army is now stationed. You can't see the factory in the photo. Those are residential buildings and a grocery store that are way too close for comfort.
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Kharkiv on Feb. 12th. The country is surrounded by Russian troops, but still thousands of people shopping and going about their normal business. There was not any concern about Russia at all.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 1:05 pm to N2daWild
Yeah I wouldnt go through the Moldova route. I think it was one of the leaders of Belarus posted a war map the other day and it showed Russian attacks coming in from Moldova through that breakaway Transistria area. Crazy shite
Posted on 3/3/22 at 1:07 pm to TheFonz
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I guess you would know better than I, but I thought Moldova had really, really close ties to Russia - almost a client state
I just read where Moldova is applying for EU membership so I don't know how close they are to Russia anymore.
I think the new leadership in Moldova has been trying to steer the country away from the corruption and human rights abuses of the past regimes.
They have been in a diplomatic dispute with Russia over the breakaway "Republic of Transnistria" for several years now which is located in the eastern part of Moldova along the border they share with Ukraine. Russia has been supportive of Transnistria's independence and have troops stationed there.
I think with Moldova and their relationship with Russia it's been more of a "go along to get along" type of thing.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 1:46 pm to PacoPicopiedra
If I was in your shoes I would go to Poland and cross into Lviv to get transit to my family in the East. Or perhaps into Romania and go north into western Ukraine.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 1:54 pm to N2daWild
Hopefully this is true and plays out. It might be your second chance.
Russia agrees to Corridors
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Ukraine says it has agreed with Russia to create safe corridors backed by cease-fires to evacuate civilians, deliver aid.
Russia agrees to Corridors
This post was edited on 3/3/22 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 3/3/22 at 3:33 pm to Buck_Rogers
That could be the most likely option of evacuation. We wait for a cease fire window and get them to Poland. If I can fly them out and if she is able to bring her son or any other relative they could seek asylum once here.
I spoke to her Aunt in Miami today. The Aunt was able to contact her sister in Russia who spoke with my wife or her mother. My wife and kids are moving in with her parents. I know the wife wasn't crazy about the idea with the baby. It is a small house of maybe 1000 sq feet. One bathroom with a toilet you pour water into to flush. The mother has lived there since her birth and I don't think they have thrown anything away that whole time. It looks like a hoarder house. The master bedroom is four feet deep with stuff from the wall to the ceiling. Every place there is to put something on top of or underneath is taken. There is no room for a play pen or walker, meaning the baby will have to be held, on the bed or couch the whole time. Its not ideal, but Ukrainians can deal with it better than Americans. The bombing must be pretty bad if they went there, but it should be safer. At least I know they are okay.
The sad part is the Grandmother who built the house was a famous surgeon. Her parents are both Doctors and my wife was a Doctor. It goes back to the communist soviet culture that never really left after there independence. Communism believes everyone should be equal, no rich and poor. Of course that hasn't stopped the Political leaders from becoming rich. They have one small car that is 46 years old. It's a different world.
I spoke to her Aunt in Miami today. The Aunt was able to contact her sister in Russia who spoke with my wife or her mother. My wife and kids are moving in with her parents. I know the wife wasn't crazy about the idea with the baby. It is a small house of maybe 1000 sq feet. One bathroom with a toilet you pour water into to flush. The mother has lived there since her birth and I don't think they have thrown anything away that whole time. It looks like a hoarder house. The master bedroom is four feet deep with stuff from the wall to the ceiling. Every place there is to put something on top of or underneath is taken. There is no room for a play pen or walker, meaning the baby will have to be held, on the bed or couch the whole time. Its not ideal, but Ukrainians can deal with it better than Americans. The bombing must be pretty bad if they went there, but it should be safer. At least I know they are okay.
The sad part is the Grandmother who built the house was a famous surgeon. Her parents are both Doctors and my wife was a Doctor. It goes back to the communist soviet culture that never really left after there independence. Communism believes everyone should be equal, no rich and poor. Of course that hasn't stopped the Political leaders from becoming rich. They have one small car that is 46 years old. It's a different world.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 6:40 pm to N2daWild
Much luck to you and your family.
I would not put much stock into the comments that are negative towards your choices and crossing borders.
Many of the men who posted here have to get permission from their wives to watch a football game. These men can't tell their wife they won't go to a wedding or baby shower.
My wife works with helping trafficked survivors of former Soviet state regions. The people here have no clue what it would mean to cross borders.
I understand what you mean about the role of physicians in Ukraine. It's more of a social worker to be a doctor than what it's like in the west.
Being with her family is a good thing.
I would not put much stock into the comments that are negative towards your choices and crossing borders.
Many of the men who posted here have to get permission from their wives to watch a football game. These men can't tell their wife they won't go to a wedding or baby shower.
My wife works with helping trafficked survivors of former Soviet state regions. The people here have no clue what it would mean to cross borders.
I understand what you mean about the role of physicians in Ukraine. It's more of a social worker to be a doctor than what it's like in the west.
Being with her family is a good thing.
This post was edited on 3/3/22 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 3/3/22 at 7:11 pm to wileyjones
Oh my goodness. Those children are precious. I’ve been praying for you and your family all along, but even more so now that I have seen their innocent faces. I hope your wife and baby are able to get out and that your stepson makes it out with them. Your baby girl has the face of an angel. Godspeed. My prayers are with you.
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Posted on 3/3/22 at 7:59 pm to N2daWild
quote:There's just 1 small strip of Moldova with those ties to Russia.
I actually don't know anything about Moldova. I was just looking at a map
My best friend and the team he leads for work fled to and are still in Moldova right now, leaving tomorrow.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 8:13 pm to shel311
Hopefully they can all get to Poland, even her son.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 8:39 pm to TheFonz
quote:Just about anywhere outside of Ukraine should be fine basically.
Hopefully they can all get to Poland, even her son.
Whatever is the quickest, safest way out is the way to go. Then regroup and find the most feasible landing spot from there.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 9:10 pm to shel311
Great looking kids. Bring them to America and they will fit right in until this shite is over then go home to rebuild your country
Posted on 3/3/22 at 10:54 pm to TutHillTiger
I just read through the beginning of the thread for the first time. I was curious the advice I got before hindsight was available to the posters on this thread. Overwhelmingly the advice was to take my family and leave. I have mentioned that was not one of my options, nor was taking the baby and running. I had one decision to make get on the flight the next morning or not.
I actually got some good advice about going to hang out somewhere in another country for a few weeks to see what would happen. That would have been a good idea but I don't think my financial situation at the time would have allowed it.
I came across something I wrote the day of the invasion Feb. 24th.
So I asked myself, if I ignore all the propaganda by all these lying governments and just look at the facts. Putin has had troops there for months and could have invaded months ago. He is obviously stalling, negotiating and really doesn't want to invade. Invading will hurt Putin and Russia. Russia will not only hurt economically, but the world will turn on them now. The Russian population will eventually turn on him. Wait until Russian soldiers start dying, economics suffer, innocent civilians start dying (they like Ukrainians) and the war never ends, similar to Afghanistan.
I thought surely Putin is smart enough to not actually attack? This is a thought shared by most East Ukrainians, its not an irrational thought. Do I think my wife was silly for taking the chance? Yes, I do, but once again our marriage is not exactly built like a normal marriage. The thing that I lose the most sleep over is my baby. I am very attached to that child. As an older parent your values are different and you appreciate different.
I would sleep a lot better if the baby was here with me, but that was never the plan. Her sister, who moved to Russia when the war started in 2014 and also just delivered a baby. The plan was that her sister would also go to Ukraine for several months and the families would spend time together.
It was not an easy decision and I was correct Putin did screw up, but I was also wrong about him being smart enough not to do it.
Now that they did invade, I want to be with my family and wish I didn't get on the plane. I think there was maybe one poster that suggested I stay with my family. My thoughts now are centered on getting back to them.
I will say this though. My wife has told me several times that it is good that I left. I ask her why and she simply says because you are a foreigner here. I tell her that I am still going to find a way back to her. She tells me now that when evacuating is safe, she will consider leaving and that me evacuating with her would be very problematic because of my passport and Ukraine is not letting fighting age men leave. It will be easier and better for her if I do not come. She also points out that me getting killed trying to get to her does not help our daughter.
I'm still making my plans to go and take my risk. I know that isn't smart but It sure would make me feel better to be there with them. The smartest plan will probably be to wait for a window where they are allowed to leave Ukraine safely. Wait for them at the border with a credit card and get them to the states so they don't have to stay in tents in Poland. Perhaps more of her extended family and friends can join her.
Its so fluid right now. I will continue with my plans to fly to Poland and then see what my options are when I get there. I'm sure things will be changed by then.
I actually got some good advice about going to hang out somewhere in another country for a few weeks to see what would happen. That would have been a good idea but I don't think my financial situation at the time would have allowed it.
I came across something I wrote the day of the invasion Feb. 24th.
So I asked myself, if I ignore all the propaganda by all these lying governments and just look at the facts. Putin has had troops there for months and could have invaded months ago. He is obviously stalling, negotiating and really doesn't want to invade. Invading will hurt Putin and Russia. Russia will not only hurt economically, but the world will turn on them now. The Russian population will eventually turn on him. Wait until Russian soldiers start dying, economics suffer, innocent civilians start dying (they like Ukrainians) and the war never ends, similar to Afghanistan.
I thought surely Putin is smart enough to not actually attack? This is a thought shared by most East Ukrainians, its not an irrational thought. Do I think my wife was silly for taking the chance? Yes, I do, but once again our marriage is not exactly built like a normal marriage. The thing that I lose the most sleep over is my baby. I am very attached to that child. As an older parent your values are different and you appreciate different.
I would sleep a lot better if the baby was here with me, but that was never the plan. Her sister, who moved to Russia when the war started in 2014 and also just delivered a baby. The plan was that her sister would also go to Ukraine for several months and the families would spend time together.
It was not an easy decision and I was correct Putin did screw up, but I was also wrong about him being smart enough not to do it.
Now that they did invade, I want to be with my family and wish I didn't get on the plane. I think there was maybe one poster that suggested I stay with my family. My thoughts now are centered on getting back to them.
I will say this though. My wife has told me several times that it is good that I left. I ask her why and she simply says because you are a foreigner here. I tell her that I am still going to find a way back to her. She tells me now that when evacuating is safe, she will consider leaving and that me evacuating with her would be very problematic because of my passport and Ukraine is not letting fighting age men leave. It will be easier and better for her if I do not come. She also points out that me getting killed trying to get to her does not help our daughter.
I'm still making my plans to go and take my risk. I know that isn't smart but It sure would make me feel better to be there with them. The smartest plan will probably be to wait for a window where they are allowed to leave Ukraine safely. Wait for them at the border with a credit card and get them to the states so they don't have to stay in tents in Poland. Perhaps more of her extended family and friends can join her.
Its so fluid right now. I will continue with my plans to fly to Poland and then see what my options are when I get there. I'm sure things will be changed by then.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:03 pm to N2daWild
You don’t have to explain just because a small number of idiots here who couldn’t possibly understand your situation still arrogantly felt led to mouth off about it.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:07 pm to N2daWild
quote:he was waiting for the Olympics to end...
He is obviously stalling, negotiating and really doesn't want to invade.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:59 pm to N2daWild
I think I've read most of this thread, bits and pieces at a time.
How fluent is your Russian and whatever related language is the official language of Ukraine? Can you read either or both?
Or is official ignorance of both safer?
(I'm fluent in German and whenever I traveled along in Europe I spoke only German to discourage yobs and wild and crazy guys. American English just didn't do that anywhere near as well.)
How fluent is your Russian and whatever related language is the official language of Ukraine? Can you read either or both?
Or is official ignorance of both safer?
(I'm fluent in German and whenever I traveled along in Europe I spoke only German to discourage yobs and wild and crazy guys. American English just didn't do that anywhere near as well.)
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:25 am to real turf fan
Ukrainians speak both Russian and Ukrainian. It the East, where my wife is, they speak Russian in the household. In the West they tend to speak Ukrainian.
I speak very little Russian. Lisichansk is a town that doesn't see many tourist. When I talk to my wife in public people always turn their heads to look. The old ladies at my apartment building gossip about me and spy out the window at me.
They are very friendly to me and is some regards you feel like a bit of a celebrity. I met an old lady, Sveta, in Mariupol while vacationing there by the sea a few years back. She lived next to the room I rented. She heard me talking English with my step son as we threw the football in the street. She approached me and asked if I could mail a bottle of alcohol she had for her son-in-law in Iowa. She offered my like $60, which is a lot in Ukraine. I refused her money and mailed it to him, illegally since you can't mail alcohol lol. My wife is still friends with his wife, who is an Ukrainian living in Iowa.
I got to know Sveta very well that week. I picked nectarines and mulberries from her garden. She would hug me and tell me I reminded her of her son. I hear of all the fighting in Mariupol and I worry about her. When my wife returns, I will have to check with her daughter in Iowa to see if she is okay.
I speak very little Russian. Lisichansk is a town that doesn't see many tourist. When I talk to my wife in public people always turn their heads to look. The old ladies at my apartment building gossip about me and spy out the window at me.
They are very friendly to me and is some regards you feel like a bit of a celebrity. I met an old lady, Sveta, in Mariupol while vacationing there by the sea a few years back. She lived next to the room I rented. She heard me talking English with my step son as we threw the football in the street. She approached me and asked if I could mail a bottle of alcohol she had for her son-in-law in Iowa. She offered my like $60, which is a lot in Ukraine. I refused her money and mailed it to him, illegally since you can't mail alcohol lol. My wife is still friends with his wife, who is an Ukrainian living in Iowa.
I got to know Sveta very well that week. I picked nectarines and mulberries from her garden. She would hug me and tell me I reminded her of her son. I hear of all the fighting in Mariupol and I worry about her. When my wife returns, I will have to check with her daughter in Iowa to see if she is okay.
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